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Poll Results: Call the Police?

 
  • 89% (17)
    Yes
  • 10% (2)
    No and check the paper the next day...
19 Total Votes  
post #31 of 50
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Originally Posted by GQgeek View Post


I think it's because people that abuse their spouses often eventually kill their spouse, or at least that is the perception, and so there is an inclination to be harsh with them right at the beginning. It might not be rational but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the source of it. There's probably an element of man beating woman worked in too, whereas random assaults are probably more man beats man and so there's less sympathy and outrage there, rightly or wrongly.

Good point regarding perception. There is the old saying... where you stand depends on where you sit.

 

This reminds me of the drug laws in the 1980's. Cocaine possesion had lower penalties because the perception was cocaine was for affluent white partying professionals who were a value to society. Crack posession was penalized more harshly because the perception crack was for uneducated blacks in ghettos who are violent and unemployed. 5 grams of crack triggered a minimum 5 year prison sentence versus 500 grams of cocaine.

post #32 of 50
Right, there are some cockamamie reasons for it, but they are not particularly rational. The test is always, who would you rather have dinner with? A guy that got into a huge argument with his wife, grabbed her roughly on the arm and left busies, or a guy who randomly assaults strangers?
post #33 of 50
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Originally Posted by odoreater View Post

The test is always, who would you rather have dinner with? A guy that got into a huge argument with his wife, grabbed her roughly on the arm and left busies, or a guy who randomly assaults strangers?

The guy who will pay for all three dinners.
post #34 of 50
Once at a hotel I left my room and got in an elevator with a young boy and a grown woman. The boy was crying/raging and talking about the woman touching his "hard cock." I walked through the lobby, looped around, and called the police and told them what happened and IDed the door the boy and woman came out of before they got on the elevator.

When I came back to the hotel after dinner I saw two policeman leaving and asked them what happened and the boy turned out to be mentally disabled and they didn't think there was a problem.

Only other time I called was once after I was pretty sure someone was going to car jack me. I've seen a few fair fights between two men and never called because I assumed the fights were consensual.
post #35 of 50
I've called a few times:

- a guy was stalking runners in my neighborhood, including me.

- a guy was asleep in his car in front of my house overnight.

- neighbors saw a guy damage my property.
post #36 of 50
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Originally Posted by JayJay View Post

I've called a few times:
- a guy was stalking runners in my neighborhood, including me.
- a guy was asleep in his car in front of my house overnight.
- neighbors saw a guy damage my property.

A guy was asleep in his car overnight in front of your house?

Is it illegal as long as iti s not in your lawn?
post #37 of 50
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Originally Posted by lasbar View Post

A guy was asleep in his car overnight in front of your house?
Is it illegal as long as iti s not in your lawn?
Actually, yes, after a certain number of hours. But for all I knew he was in there dead. Cops woke him up and made him leave.
post #38 of 50
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Originally Posted by JayJay View Post

Actually, yes, after a certain number of hours. But for all I knew he was in there dead. Cops woke him up and made him leave.

I didn't know it was illegal to sleep in your car overnight on the road..
post #39 of 50
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Originally Posted by lasbar View Post

I didn't know it was illegal to sleep in your car overnight on the road..
In my locale you can't have your car parked in front of a house that's not your own for a certain number of hours, regardless of whether someone is in it or not. In this case, someone was in it.
post #40 of 50
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Originally Posted by JayJay View Post

In my locale you can't have your car parked in front of a house that's not your own for a certain number of hours, regardless of whether someone is in it or not. In this case, someone was in it.

We have the permit system in England but you can park your car in front of someone else's house as long as you do not stop their driveway..
post #41 of 50
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Originally Posted by JayJay View Post

Actually, yes, after a certain number of hours. But for all I knew he was in there dead. Cops woke him up and made him leave.

I would have left him be. He was probably just resting or sleeping a few drinks off.
post #42 of 50

Response is for OP....

 

Best move: get to a safe distance and yell "Cut that shit out else Ima call the cops, man."  Then don't call the cops.

 

Keep in mind that the police are not refs.  By calling the cops you may very well get that dude arrested, thereby setting into motion a chain of events that helps no one.  Him being arrested means they'll have to waste money bailing him out.  Trust me.  I know they'll waste the money to bail him out.  They do it every time.  Then they may have to hand some money to a defense lawyer.  That money could have been spent on the little girl.  Or rent.  Or food.  He may lose a job or benefits due to being locked up.  Getting him arrested may endanger the lady's and the child's well-being by cutting off income and possibly jeopardizing their housing arrangements. 

 

If you want to see anything other than an arrest you'd have to be a witness for the state.  In the event you actually showed up to court and followed the case through the usual delays then you'd probably see the prosecutor dump the case when the "victim" didn't want to testify or wanted to testify for the defense.  Again, trust me.  I've seen this roughly 700 times.  She'll back him and you'll be the odd man out.  In the rare event he ever got convicted for the nonsense you describe it sounds like a probation case or maybe even some kind of pretrial diversion opportunity. 

 

What you saw that day was behavior that did not comport with your own values and your culture's norms.  Was it illegal?  Probably close to it.  Was it ugly?  Sure sounds like it.  What can you do to help?  Not much.  Some people were born and raised to conduct their affairs this way and no one can change them.  Be careful if you choose to meddle.  You may have no idea what effects your actions will have.

 

I know this stuff because I'm a defense lawyer and I've represented defendants in probably 1000 DV cases in a major urban area.

post #43 of 50
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Originally Posted by handsolo View Post

Response is for OP....

 

Best move: get to a safe distance and yell "Cut that shit out else Ima call the cops, man."  Then don't call the cops.

 

Keep in mind that the police are not refs.  By calling the cops you may very well get that dude arrested, thereby setting into motion a chain of events that helps no one.  Him being arrested means they'll have to waste money bailing him out.  Trust me.  I know they'll waste the money to bail him out.  They do it every time.  Then they may have to hand some money to a defense lawyer.  That money could have been spent on the little girl.  Or rent.  Or food.  He may lose a job or benefits due to being locked up.  Getting him arrested may endanger the lady's and the child's well-being by cutting off income and possibly jeopardizing their housing arrangements. 

 

If you want to see anything other than an arrest you'd have to be a witness for the state.  In the event you actually showed up to court and followed the case through the usual delays then you'd probably see the prosecutor dump the case when the "victim" didn't want to testify or wanted to testify for the defense.  Again, trust me.  I've seen this roughly 700 times.  She'll back him and you'll be the odd man out.  In the rare event he ever got convicted for the nonsense you describe it sounds like a probation case or maybe even some kind of pretrial diversion opportunity. 

 

What you saw that day was behavior that did not comport with your own values and your culture's norms.  Was it illegal?  Probably close to it.  Was it ugly?  Sure sounds like it.  What can you do to help?  Not much.  Some people were born and raised to conduct their affairs this way and no one can change them.  Be careful if you choose to meddle.  You may have no idea what effects your actions will have.

 

I know this stuff because I'm a defense lawyer and I've represented defendants in probably 1000 DV cases in a major urban area.

This.

 

Nobody knows what they are arguing about. Unless someones life was threatened there is no reason to get involved.

 

For all you known, it could be two drunks doing what they do every night. Let them figure it our for themselves. You owe them nothing.

 

If everyone calls the police every time there is friction the police will use this as a reason to ask for more funding, and that will come out of your pocket. Nothing is free.

 

Let the police go use their time to fight serious crimes. Not two people arguing.

post #44 of 50
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by handsolo View Post

Response is for OP....

Best move: get to a safe distance and yell "Cut that shit out else Ima call the cops, man."  Then don't call the cops.

Keep in mind that the police are not refs.  By calling the cops you may very well get that dude arrested, thereby setting into motion a chain of events that helps no one.  Him being arrested means they'll have to waste money bailing him out.  Trust me.  I know they'll waste the money to bail him out.  They do it every time.  Then they may have to hand some money to a defense lawyer.  That money could have been spent on the little girl.  Or rent.  Or food.  He may lose a job or benefits due to being locked up.  Getting him arrested may endanger the lady's and the child's well-being by cutting off income and possibly jeopardizing their housing arrangements. 

If you want to see anything other than an arrest you'd have to be a witness for the state.  In the event you actually showed up to court and followed the case through the usual delays then you'd probably see the prosecutor dump the case when the "victim" didn't want to testify or wanted to testify for the defense.  Again, trust me.  I've seen this roughly 700 times.  She'll back him and you'll be the odd man out.  In the rare event he ever got convicted for the nonsense you describe it sounds like a probation case or maybe even some kind of pretrial diversion opportunity. 

What you saw that day was behavior that did not comport with your own values and your culture's norms.  Was it illegal?  Probably close to it.  Was it ugly?  Sure sounds like it.  What can you do to help?  Not much.  Some people were born and raised to conduct their affairs this way and no one can change them.  Be careful if you choose to meddle.  You may have no idea what effects your actions will have.

I know this stuff because I'm a defense lawyer and I've represented defendants in probably 1000 DV cases in a major urban area.

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Originally Posted by elegance007 View Post

This.

Nobody knows what they are arguing about. Unless someones life was threatened there is no reason to get involved.

For all you known, it could be two drunks doing what they do every night. Let them figure it our for themselves. You owe them nothing.

If everyone calls the police every time there is friction the police will use this as a reason to ask for more funding, and that will come out of your pocket. Nothing is free.

Let the police go use their time to fight serious crimes. Not two people arguing.



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post #45 of 50
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Originally Posted by Tck13 View Post


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I see no hint of insight here.  When the adults are talking then you should really just stand still and listen.  You might learn something.  If you're other 5,250 posts are as good as this one then you'd do everyone a favor by laying off the forum and devoting the time you've spent in this endeavor to dick-eating.

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