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post #121 of 434
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Originally Posted by F. Corbera View Post


The perspective that a lot of the most esteemed dressers of the early to mid 20th were serenely Appollonian in their choices probably does owe much to the accidental congruence with the hegemony of black and white photography.
When you see one of these "classic" photos, as promoted by dudes like Boyer in his books, pop out in a color version, it becomes easier to understand that riotous color was even more ascendant then than even today in the age of cheap dyes.
I saw one recently of Gary Cooper, the B&W version of which is widely known. You would never have guessed the colors...yeow!

 

This is what's particularly enjoyable about Boardwalk Empire (even if little else is these days). Apparently the show's costume designer (in collaboration w/ Martin Greenfield) pretty faithfully recreates period-accurate garments, using vintage textiles from the era. A lot of the looks on that show would feel right at home on, say, LabelKing. Some would fit neatly into the framework of this thread.

post #122 of 434
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Originally Posted by F. Corbera View Post

were serenely Appollonian in their choices

Ivy = Apollonian
American Haberdashery TraditionTM=Dionysian

CorberaStyle=Attic Tragedy

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post #123 of 434
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

So I've noticed that a lot of the newer posters like wearing multiple patterns and since I've been here there are always questions on how to wear 2-3 patterns, questions on scale etc. I just put together a few pics of what I think works when combining multiple patterns. Keep in mind that in my manner of dressing, I rarely if ever wear more than two patterns, and really only prefer to wear one, and I am one of those solid navy tie with everything guys. Mostly, these are outfits that I would not wear now, but again, that I think serve a purpose as a base for those that have trouble combining multiple patterns. These are just my opinions, not rules and I hope this threak serves a purpose, maybe even people can post outfits here that they are having trouble with from a pattern perspective to get feedback. I purposely did not use any solid blue shirts or solid ties because I don't think anyone needs help pairing those items.
First up is a suit. The fabric is a muted brown plaid, so it allows for a bolder shirt and tie. If you look at the outfit, you'll notice there are only really 2 colors in the whole thing, but it pops. I find that muted plaids lend themselves nicely to tattersall/gingham shirts, a striped shirt could just as easily be replaced here, but not too wide on the stripe spacing. What I would not wear here are a plaid shirt or tie, regardless of scale. The other thing I would keep in mind, when wearing patterns, the pattern itself are usually loud enough, no need to ramp up the volume by wearing crazy colors. Save the purple and green plaid tie for the solid navy jacket and blue shirt. the louder the pattern, the more muted the color should be.
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Next up is a somewhat similar outfit, brown coat, blue shirt, blue tie. This coat has a streak or rust/brick running through it, so while muted, it has a bit more pop than the one above. Because of that, I kept the shirt very conservative (short of a solid shirt) and the tie has complimentary colors in its pattern. I think everything here goes together tastefully, nothing clashes nor screams at you and nothing is matchy-matchy. Just because the jacket has that rust/brink line does not mean that I run out to find a tie or shirt with a similar color in it to pick up the jacket, matching is not good, coordinating is better.
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Now we get a little bit louder. I've noticed a few coats here, grey glen plaids/PoW's that have been too muted. On any pattern that a suit could be made of, you need to go bolder if it is a sportcoat. If it is a windowpane or PoW, it can't be too muted because then it looks like a suit jacket (applies mostly to worsted's). With a coat this loud, I am going to keep everything else as quiet as possible but since I need to have a patterned shirt and tie, I chose something brown as I find that brown "soothes" greys. Again, there are some coordinating colors and while a loud jacket, the outfit overall is not extremely loud. The big plaid of the jacket is large enough to not clash with the smaller checks of the shirt. the tie brings both things together.
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I ran out of daylight for the pics so that is all that I have for now, feel free to post your own combinations, questions or to take apart my combinations.

Looks like the shirts are from Turnbull & Asser. Where did they got the suits and ties from?
post #124 of 434
This pic used to be on Alan Flusser's website as an example of advanced pattern coordination. It looks good but I think it would have been improved with a blue and white paisley pocket square so everything wasn't so linear and a end-on-end blue shirt

I'm against the trend of the last two years of making multiple colored patterns in outfits a competitive sport. smile.gif

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post #125 of 434
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Originally Posted by ctp120 View Post

CorberaStyle=Attic Tragedy
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I'm usually laconic.
post #126 of 434
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Originally Posted by doughboysc View Post

Looks like the shirts are from Turnbull & Asser.

What makes you think that?
post #127 of 434
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

When I wear an odd jacket, these days the tie is always a repp or knit. I never wear a printed or woven pattern.
The top pick of the bottom combo makes the coat look tan. In the bottom pic, I can tell it's gray.
I am older than you, so I wear drool in a tie shape.
post #128 of 434
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

grey flannel does not count as a pattern, I don't care how foggy it is

It's a medium scale dogtooth check.

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post #129 of 434
OK, I would call that functionally solid. But it does count as a pattern.
post #130 of 434
If I wore any of the outfits posted in this thread, my girlfriend would punch me so hard
post #131 of 434
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

OK, I would call that functionally solid. But it does count as a pattern.

Shirts, ties, jackets, and squares that resolve to a near-solid beyond kissing distance have to be fair game as at least one element in the example ensembles in this thread.

If not, this thread will feature a lower succes rate than WAYWRN in general.

And that is a number that wasn't even characterized before the Hindu got together with the Arabic.
post #132 of 434
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Originally Posted by tobiasj View Post

If I wore any of the outfits posted in this thread, my girlfriend would punch me so hard

This is why guys like Ed, Manton, dopey, oldog/oldtrix and I are married.

That, and all that terrific home cookin', like pie and stuff.
post #133 of 434
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

I like the tie, but not with that square. Would look good with an unbuttoned, charmingly askew BD.
I wear mostly solid ties when pairing patterned coat with patterned shirt these days, so I don't have much to add. But I will say that I find dotted knits often look good/suitably subtle when paired with a bengal-stripe shirt and a patterned coat. The narrowness of the tie and the dot-to-ground ratio plays well with a busier background.
Also, I'd hope that the pattern fans at whom the thread is aimed already have examples in mind that they like. It's easy to fall into the trap of pairing patterns to pair patterns, so I would urge any newcomers to think about whether they really like the resulting look. My default has become "Does this look better than it would with a solid tie?" Usually my answer is no.

I disagree with this, Doc. Doing things for the sake of seeing if you can do it is laudable.
post #134 of 434
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

I disagree with this, Doc. Doing things for the sake of seeing if you can do it is laudable.

Didn't say you shouldn't try. Just that you should consider the alternative and go with what looks better.

Anyone can pile stuff on. Takes taste and restraint to make hard choices about what works.
post #135 of 434
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

OK, I would call that functionally solid.

Agreed.
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