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post #106 of 434
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Originally Posted by F. Corbera View Post

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Here's the thing: each obvious pattern or clashing color one adds to a classically tailored ensemble exponentially reduces the number of people who will like it, and then further doubles the possible number of people who will fail even more if they attempt to do the same thing.
The only out from this arithmetic to cultivate a Dandified Air of Do-Not-Care. No one here who posts today, BTW, has that.
Ed has created this thread as a hopeful palliative; instead, it is handing loaded shotguns to everyone, the kind that used to be in Looney Toons in which the barrels curve up and then back.
We'll soon find out.
Acrobatics with color and pattern have a deep basis in the what I might call the "haberdashery" tradition in American tailored clothing. It's quite different than the Brit/country/Windsor-y thing of all checks at once that influenced the go-to-hell schemes of Ivy style. The haberdashery style was the non-Ivy part of the mens shops in the big and medium sized cities.
Several of the Americans who post on SF who love classic style are Ivy-ish in tastes because of their boyhoods. So, you don't see the haberdashery look much, except in one dude: oldog/oldtrix. He explained once that even his tastes once tended toward the Ivy, but now, he's more comfortable with the attitude toward clothes that his father and uncles had. I love seeing it.
Alas, both the Ivy and the haberdashery look are kaput. Almost completely dead, never to rise again because both have lost their context.
Oh: and that's not a suit. If it were, that would have been awesome.

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post #107 of 434
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Originally Posted by RJE View Post

Doc, I'm cautious about the word better. A solid tie would be different; it will also usually be safer. It's easy to mistake safer for better. But we don't always have to choose the safest route biggrin.gif.

I didn't say the solid was better. I said that the pattern must be better. If it's not, it's just adding business for business' sake.
post #108 of 434
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

. So I am saying, there is a method of dress which is not really duscussed here, a group of guys who attempt it and we can beat them over the head until they dress like us (solid/small patterned shirt, solid/small patterned tie, solid suit), and make this a very boring forum

No no of course not that would indeed be monotonous.
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or we can look to discuss and improve on a style that we may not necessarily agree with, and in doing that make the forum a better resource for everyone.

Very true. I was actually interested in most SFers motivation for this 4 pattern mixing. First I thought it was just creativity but then realized some part of it has to do with looking good also.
post #109 of 434
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

This is a big factor in whether I'll like an outfit. I sometimes like crazy, but it can't look deliberately crazy.
Eventually I hope to aim for the full Withnail.

Hamish asked to say, "Hi."


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post #110 of 434
A note on Vox's future meme in the making, the American Haberdashery Tradition (TM): I think it's revealing that many of the pics frequently trotted out depicting four or more patterns are in black and white. Such busy looks, I suspect, are well served by the lack of color.
post #111 of 434
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Originally Posted by F. Corbera View Post

Hamish asked to say, "Hi."
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Oh please. Compare and contrast:
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post #112 of 434
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

A note on Vox's future meme in the making, the American Haberdashery Tradition (TM): I think it's revealing that many of the pics frequently trotted out depicting four or more patterns are in black and white. Such busy looks, I suspect, are well served by the lack of color.

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post #113 of 434
I'd be sad too.
post #114 of 434
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

I think it's revealing that many of the pics frequently trotted out depicting four or more patterns are in black and white. Such busy looks, I suspect, are well served by the lack of color.

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post #115 of 434
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A note on Vox's future meme in the making, the American Haberdashery Tradition (TM):

Of the recent endpoints of this tradition in clothes, I think that Domenico Spano would the most well known:

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post #116 of 434
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

I'd be sad too.

He has his coronet on the right place on his shirt, though.

That counts for a lot in my book.
post #117 of 434
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

we can beat them over the head until they dress like us (solid/small patterned shirt, solid/small patterned tie, solid suit)

Ouch, Ouch; is it working?

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post #118 of 434
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

I think it's revealing that many of the pics frequently trotted out depicting four or more patterns are in black and white. Such busy looks, I suspect, are well served by the lack of color.

The perspective that a lot of the most esteemed dressers of the early to mid 20th were serenely Appollonian in their choices probably does owe much to the accidental congruence with the hegemony of black and white photography.

When you see one of these "classic" photos, as promoted by dudes like Boyer in his books, pop out in a color version, it becomes easier to understand that riotous color was even more ascendant then than even today in the age of cheap dyes.

I saw one recently of Gary Cooper, the B&W version of which is widely known. You would never have guessed the colors...yeow!
post #119 of 434
Getting in late on the party here (and pretty much knew these principles already), but appreciate Edmorel getting a thread going on this. Good read.
post #120 of 434
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