Originally Posted by chet31
OP, I sympathize. I live in Madison WI, one of the more "casual" places to dress in the USA. By "casual," I mean jeans, t-shirt, jogging shoes, and maybe a backpack. That's if you're a tenured college professor. People who wear "North Face" are considered snobs. In addition, my friends are among the worst offenders.
You cannot dress crazily more formal than everyone else in your surroundings. For example, a lawyer wearing a tuxedo to court, or a 20-something wearing a Brook Bros sport coat, Incotex trousers, and Allen Edmonds Park Avenues to a campus dive bar. It's OK to dress a little better than your peers, but not too much better.
Sad but true, you sometimes have to dumb it down a bit. Some tricks. 1.) Do not wear "trousers." Wear jeans, they can be expensive, but you will at least blend in, and there is some respect among slobs for a good pair of jeans. 2.) Do not wear a sport coat unless it is at least jacket weather. This may still make you overdressed, in which case buy a nice leather jacket. Expensive leather jacket OK, expensive sport coat, not OK in many situations. 3.) If you wear a button-down shirt, don't tuck it in. 4.) If you are going to "splurge," footwear is the place to do it. T-shirt, jeans, John Lobbs will fly, because nobody will know what John Lobbs are.
I couldn't agree more. In my town, I've literally seen people wear gym shorts to the bar. The most common attire is a t-shirt, cargo shorts, and flip flops. Or if they're "dressed up" it will be a Polo shirt, cinch white label jeans, and a pair of Ariat Square-Toe Boots.
Last weekend, I wore a button down, Citizens of Humanity Jeans, and a new pair of Creative Recreation Sneakers. I was dressed nicer than 95% of the people in the bar.
On the flip side of this, I see a ton of "ethnic" people in my town wearing 3-piece suits that aren't tailored and wearing a shirt/tie combo that came packaged together. It may be an attempt to look extra nice, but it comes off sleezy in person.
Originally Posted by curzon
This is American Top 40 from Hollywood. Now, we're up to our long-distance dedication. This one goes entirely around the world. It comes in from small town boy Randomhero88, and here's what he writes:
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Clever attempt to put me in my place. I realize my posts may sound cocky, but I don't mean them to be. I'd have a lot of learning to do if I lived in New York. I suppose you have to see what I'm speaking of to truly understand. I've seen people try to use food stamp cards at the bar, as said, people will wear gym shorts to the bar, I've had people try to fight me because I didn't fit in from a physical appearance standpoint in the bar.
And well played on being the Grammar Nazi. Firefox spell check is usually a saving grace for me, but I'm on I.E. at the moment. I can appreciate being called out when I contradict myself.