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post #496 of 882
And in a stunningly epic trolljob by Feaster... Iggy goes the Pens. I can at least say I saw this unfold on twitter as it was happening because all of HFBoards and twitter about shit themselves. Both NHL.com and TSN incorrectly reported Iginla to Boston before the truth came out. Word on the street is both deals were on the table, but a) Iggy wanted to go to Pittsburgh and b) Chiarelli was insistent on the first round pick being conditional on Iggy resigning in Boston.

Its strange - I was livid at the return from Boston: a former second rounder, a nobody, and a conditional first? No, I'm not expecting a king's ransom for an impending UFA with a NTC who is arguably past his prime, but he still is a legend and franchise cornerstone. That essentially turns into Iggy for Koko if he doesn't re-sign in Boston, and if he doesn't win a Cup there, I don't see any way he re-signs in Calgary.

Then the word comes out that an official announcement is coming from the Flames after all the speculation, and he's going to... Pittsburgh in a done deal?! WTF? After the entire hockey world had all but confirmed it was to Boston? He gets traded for Agostino, Hankowski, and a first rounder that isn't a conditional pick. This is arguably a worse deal because a) Agostino and Hankowski are college guys who may or may not pan out into anything worthwhile, while Koko was at least strongly projected to at least be a strong 2c. I'd rather have one good prospect than two OK prospects. b) a first round pick is nice, but from the Pens its basically going to be a second rounder since it will be an extremely late pick. Plus, with Feaster and Calgary scouting in charge of making the picks I have zero faith that anything not in the top 5 will be anything but a bust.

And after all that... I'm not mad, even with the lesser return? Its not that I dislike the Bruins... maybe I'm sentimental about Sid and Iggy playing together? Ugh. Whatever. The Flames have proven they will always be a terrible franchise and yet another bad trade won't change that. Iggy, on the other hand... thanks for all the memories. Truly a class act, if not the classiest in the league. Go Pens... frown.gif
post #497 of 882
i think this sums it up:
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Both players are fair prospects, but hardly blue-chippers. An NHL scout just told SI.com that “they’re probably top-10 in Pittsburgh’s system, but at the bottom of the top-10.”

Somehow Pittsburgh GM Ray Shero has managed to acquire Iginla, Brenden Morrow and Douglas Murray without having to sacrifice any of his top-five prospects. Absolutely remarkable job on his part.
post #498 of 882
As a capitals fan: ffffuuuu.gif
post #499 of 882
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Originally Posted by jarude View Post

Agostino and Hankowski are college guys who may or may not pan out into anything worthwhile

Agostino is a solid player right now, and clear NHL potential, but he'd probably need a few years of development. You can check him out this Friday in the NCAA tournament.
post #500 of 882
I can't wait to see how the Pen's PP is going to be.
post #501 of 882
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

i think this sums it up:

Seriously. Good for him - he got Iggy and Morrow without dealing a roster player and still has Harrington, Maata, etc. Ridiculous... I wish my team had a GM with a brain. I get that he had a lot of leverage in this deal, though - Iggy wants to go to Pittsburgh, and that's the offer from Pittsburgh, so either you a) take it or b) he walks. Shitty deal.
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As a fan of an Eastern Conference team: ffffuuuu.gif

Fixed it for you biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

Agostino is a solid player right now, and clear NHL potential, but he'd probably need a few years of development. You can check him out this Friday in the NCAA tournament.

Good to hear. Feaster / Flames are insanely high on NCAA players for some reason, so hopefully they pan out. I know at least Gaudreau, Gillies, and now Agostino and Hankowski are in NCAA and probably a few more.
post #502 of 882
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Good to hear. Feaster / Flames are insanely high on NCAA players for some reason, so hopefully they pan out. I know at least Gaudreau, Gillies, and now Agostino and Hankowski are in NCAA and probably a few more.

it's always tough to tell what a player is going to turn into, be it from the NCAA, Quebec Majors, OHL, etc. Sometimes big prospects just fizzle out (Louis Leblanc kind of comes to mind, but he's still very young), and sometimes players will go through 4 years of NCAA undrafted, take a cheap contract after graduation, and then just develop more and more (Conacher).

Colin Greening vs. Bobby Butler is an interesting comparison - both played NCAA's over the same time period, yet Butler had a killer senior year and might have even been a Hobey Baker finalist. His stats were superior to Greening. They both did a year in the AHL, then both went to the NHL with Ottawa. Greening is the one still with the Sens while Butler was waived, passed to NJ, and is now in NSH.

Moulson with the Isles is another interesting case. He was drafted in the 9th round, did 4 years of NCAA, 3 years in the AHL, and now we know what he's up to with the Isles.

I have no idea how Gaudreau is going to pan out, but he sure is putting up some numbers with BC. I wonder how he'd handle the corners in the NHL with two 6'4" 230 lb sentinels chasing him down.
post #503 of 882
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

Agostino is a solid player right now, and clear NHL potential, but he'd probably need a few years of development. You can check him out this Friday in the NCAA tournament.

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Originally Posted by jarude View Post

Good to hear. Feaster / Flames are insanely high on NCAA players for some reason, so hopefully they pan out. I know at least Gaudreau, Gillies, and now Agostino and Hankowski are in NCAA and probably a few more.

link below to the 2 PM ET Yale vs. Minnesota NCAA game (featuring Agostino with Yale):

http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/id/833421/yale-vs-minnesota-west-regional-semifinal-1
post #504 of 882
Thanks... in Canada though so I can't see the feed. frown.gif

I'm not expecting these guys to be elite, but even looking at the mid-level guys who did pan out from the NCAA, they seem to top out at being 2-3rd liners. As a Flames fan I really can't complain, considering the roster is almost entirely third liners, but still. I want to move forward! I'm hoping Gaudreau turns into another MSL / Fleury - I really liked his game in the World Juniors even if he did torch Canada.

I would never pray for my team to tank, but this years draft... drool.gif Barkov, Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin, Monahan, Nichushkin... so many choices. Have seen Zadorov, Domi, and Horvat with the local OHL team and they're all solid as well. I'm hoping the Flames take the Pen's first-rounder from the Iggy trade and package it with another first, say from a Cammalerri / Bouwmeester trade to move up to another top 10 pick. Two top 10 picks in this year's draft would be fantastic... as long as Feaster doesn't pull a Feaster and draft another nobody who played highschool hockey the year before.

With the Iggy trade having gone down, I'm itching to have it blown up. Tanguay, Bouwmeester, Giordano, Cammy, Stempniak, and Sarich can all go. Glencross won't go anywhere and nobody wants the Hudler or Wideman contracts, so there it is. I'd like to see a nice return of a first for Bouw and maybe Cammy with Stempniak, Gio and Tangs fetching 2nd rounders. I can also deal with prospects no older than 22 or so. Looks like Kipper is either staying put or retiring so I hope he puts in a few more years carrying the load and Ramo pans out into something, although I don't have great hopes for our goaltending. A man can dream... nod[1].gif
post #505 of 882
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I'm not expecting these guys to be elite, but even for the guys who did pan out from the NCAA, they seem to top out at being 2-3rd liners.

I feel like this is fairly typical for NCAA. For the super elite young players, where the NHL is almost a given, the OHL or US National teams seem like the best choice since they'll get a lot of games in against very skilled opponents at a very young age. It's rare to see a top-10 draft pick play college hockey. After this though, it's a bit of a wash since a second or third rounder has a what, 30% chance of reaching the NHL, and the NCAA lets them also get a degree* and 4 years to develop assuming they don't sign with a team early. And from here, you can build up some really great 2nd or 3rd line players, and it's not unusual to see a bunch hit the 1st (Stepan and McDonagh on D for NYR come to mind). The OHL is probably still the biggest feeder to the NHL, though something like 30% of NHL players came from the NCAA, which I see as huge since there's also a lot of feeds from QMJHL, WHL, and Europe.








*ok, so a degree in "recreation management" from North Dakota probably doesn't count
post #506 of 882
Great sniper goal by Agostino
post #507 of 882
aaaaaand Agostino's aggressive forecheck, steal, then feed to the open man secures a Yale OT win over the top seeded Minnesota. wow, great game.
post #508 of 882
Crosby out indefinitely.


Rangers sucking it up massively.
post #509 of 882
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Crosby out indefinitely.


Rangers sucking it up massively.

I really hope this doesn't turn into another few months of PCS shenanigans for Crosby.

Good thing they just got Iggy, lol.
post #510 of 882
word is there's been none of that.



yet.
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