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post #46 of 882
I think there biggest problem is on defense. If they improve in that department then I think the goaltending will take care of itself.
post #47 of 882
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I think goalies are the hardest to peg man. You just NEVER know. Look at Lundqvist, drafted late, from the SEL, comes to camp not expecting anything, and steals the show. Lots of the GREAT goalies seem to have the same trend, Roy in the '86 playoffs, Dryden, Hasek, Rinne, Quick, etc. Then the so called "young superstars" fiz out like a 5th of July firecracker (DiPietro, Dan Blackburn). You just never know, the Oil may already have that guy in the system somewhere.
post #48 of 882
yeah, flames got kipper out of san jose backup hell for a 2nd iirc and he ends up being a #1 / top 10 for nearly 10 years. i dont disagree with you, but unless you have a team that dominates like the 09/10 blackhawks you cant rely on a guy who is merely above average in net. counterpoint: kipper played his ass off this year and the flames still sucked large. in the end i dont see the oilers making the playoffs. i'd be more inclined to say a team like ottawa makes it to the playoffs again before the oilers do - they have depth in most positions, 2.5 legit netminders (i wouldnt call lehner exactly an nhl regular at this point), and enough experience to guide them along the way. add in maclean who probably should've won the jack adams and there's a team who makes the postseason.

for all the hubbub around minnesota, i dont see them suddenly turning into world-beaters. their top 6 will be really nice, and having suter certainly won't hurt them this year, but they were mediocre last year and i dont see those two tipping them over the edge. i dont buy that injuries did them in last season - they just weren't very good and just because they got the best available FA's, that doesn't put them in a new class. this is partially wishful thinking as the flames only made marginal improvements at questionable costs so having a stronger divisional opponent is not a good thing.
post #49 of 882
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Minny is tough to figure out. They were first overall in the league in January, and then go on a spell where they miss the playoffs...wasn't even close actually...
post #50 of 882
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Originally Posted by jarude View Post

yeah, flames got kipper out of san jose backup hell for a 2nd iirc and he ends up being a #1 / top 10 for nearly 10 years. i dont disagree with you, but unless you have a team that dominates like the 09/10 blackhawks you cant rely on a guy who is merely above average in net. counterpoint: kipper played his ass off this year and the flames still sucked large. in the end i dont see the oilers making the playoffs. i'd be more inclined to say a team like ottawa makes it to the playoffs again before the oilers do - they have depth in most positions, 2.5 legit netminders (i wouldnt call lehner exactly an nhl regular at this point), and enough experience to guide them along the way. add in maclean who probably should've won the jack adams and there's a team who makes the postseason.
for all the hubbub around minnesota, i dont see them suddenly turning into world-beaters. their top 6 will be really nice, and having suter certainly won't hurt them this year, but they were mediocre last year and i dont see those two tipping them over the edge. i dont buy that injuries did them in last season - they just weren't very good and just because they got the best available FA's, that doesn't put them in a new class. this is partially wishful thinking as the flames only made marginal improvements at questionable costs so having a stronger divisional opponent is not a good thing.

I agree.

I think that from a talent perspective, they obviously got better but they have tons of money locked into a few guys in a league where, time and time again, depth has won Stanley Cups. They will be ale to score more goals now that Parise is in the fold but Suter doesn't instantly make their defense that much better (which is why I found his contract ridiculous).

The NHL has it's problems but one thing I still like about it is that you can't spend your way to a Stanley Cup. If you look at the past several champs, the vast majority of them were a mix of depth guys, young prospects, and a few stars, not just a Miami Heat style super team.
post #51 of 882
Dubnyk has a lot of promise.
post #52 of 882
I was angry at the Parise signing, but right now I am heartbroken... Larry Robinson signed a deal as an "associate coach" with the Sharks. He's been with the Devils on and off since 1993, and was an assistant for the 1995 and 2003 cup runs and 2012 (obviously), and head coach for the 2000 cup and 2001 finals appearance. Really really upset about this one... but I wonder if Scott Stevens will take over his role mentoring young defensemen.
Edited by Van Veen - 7/8/12 at 9:26pm
post #53 of 882
I wonder where Semin will sign and for how much.

The Rangers could really use some of that talent, but not Semin's whole "meh" attitude.
post #54 of 882
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I was angry at the Parise signing, but right now I am heartbroken... Larry Robinson signed a deal as an "associate coach" with the Sharks. He's been with the Devils on and off since 1993, and was an assistant for the 1995 and 2003 cup runs and 2012 (obviously), and head coach for the 2000 cup and 2001 finals appearance. Really really upset about this one... but I wonder if Scott Stevens will take over his role mentoring young defensemen.

I feel for you man. That does suck. i wonder if DeBore (really, listening to him talk is like listening to paint dry, not even watching it) had a different idea for what his role should be with the D-men. I wonder if this will hurt them and their defensive strategy. I think he was a huge part of their success as a defensive power in the league.

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I wonder where Semin will sign and for how much.
The Rangers could really use some of that talent, but not Semin's whole "meh" attitude.

Please, god forbid. Another Kovalev, Nedved, Brendl (remember him)...European egos with Manitoba skills. No offense to any Winnipeggers on here.

Speaking of Brendl, remember that draft year, Brendl, Lundmark were the Ranger high hopes, but who were the top 4 guys that year? I know Brendl was one, was that the Stefan draft year?

**Edit**

AND THE SEDINS...hmmm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NHL_Entry_Draft#Round_one
post #55 of 882
I hope semin goes back to russia and stays there.

I find all the backlash around the russian double standard of player evaluation to be hilarious. If all of the nhls most prominent russians have bad reps for going mia and being devoid of character, perhaps theres a reason for it? Saw a laughable thread on hfboards stating semin > parise by virtue of their numbers. Lol. Parise was perhaps getting more love than he shouldve based on his postseason and ufa status but stating that the only reason semin isnt seen as better is because he is russian is a complete joke. He isnt better because he goes mia for weeks while earning big money, simple.

Not saying there arent character russians, but the most prominent and highly paid certainly deserve the stereotype.


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post #56 of 882
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I hope semin goes back to russia and stays there.
I find all the backlash around the russian double standard of player evaluation to be hilarious. If all of the nhls most prominent russians have bad reps for going mia and being devoid of character, perhaps theres a reason for it? Saw a laughable thread on hfboards stating semin > parise by virtue of their numbers. Lol. Parise was perhaps getting more love than he shouldve based on his postseason and ufa status but stating that the only reason semin isnt seen as better is because he is russian is a complete joke. He isnt better because he goes mia for weeks while earning big money, simple.
Not saying there arent character russians, but the most prominent and highly paid certainly deserve the stereotype.
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I think you'll stop seeing this stereotype. The Cold War had a HUGE social and psychological impact on people in the US and Canada and I imagine being a Russian in this league is a difficult thing. But once most of the fans aren't old enough to remember "Big Bad Russia" as the enemy, I'm sure these guys will be looked at as quirky, rather than they are looked at now.
post #57 of 882
Flyers have offered Weber a 14 year deal. Preds have 7 days to match the RFA offer.


IMO, the Preds need to match. But the Flyers could really use Weber as this might be a sign that Pronger is done.
post #58 of 882
Yeah Nashville already lost Suter. Interested to see how they do this upcoming season.
post #59 of 882
also, I can't stand these 10-15 year deals. Annoying.
post #60 of 882
The NHLPA should staple Shea Weber's offer sheet to the front of the leagues initial CBA proposal and send it back to them. The owners want players to get a smaller share of revenue, 5 year contract limits and delayed free agency. Then the Flyers throw out a 14 year offer sheet with a ton of money up front. Seems a little incongruous. I think Nashville pretty much has to match to stay relevant, but I don't know if you can afford to pay a guy that much money all at once when your yearly revenue is only 80 some million and your business is already operating at a loss.
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