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post #31 of 92
I am often reminded that there's a striking difference in the kind of conservatism shown in American law firms and firms in the Commonwealth. Here, you'd be hard pressed to find a summer clerk or intern without cuff-links. Tie bars are common.

But the advice about fitting in remains spot on. You have an acceptable margin of personality in your dress. That widens as you advance in seniority. As an intern, it is very narrow. If it's anything like here, the firms are looking for reasons not to give you a graduate offer. Don't give them a reason.
post #32 of 92
aside from being ostentatious, can't believe no one told the op that unless his law firm represents russian oligarchs, he'll find himself known as the guy with the fucking ugly two-tone gold rolex.
post #33 of 92
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Originally Posted by acidboy View Post

aside from being ostentatious, can't believe no one told the op that unless his law firm represents russian oligarchs, he'll find himself known as the guy with the fucking ugly two-tone gold rolex.

 

First of all, any self-respecting Russian oligarch will tell you that a two-tone watch is for wannabes who cannot afford the real thing, which is, preferably, a platinum Patek or something in the same rank by Ulysse Nardin.

 

Secondly, this watch being a Rolex takes the offense to a whole new level, as it shows that the owner lack of common sense is superseded only by his ability to spend money on things he does not understand.  I will stop here.

 

To the OP. 

 

  • Sell the watch or trade it for something less flashy.  Stick with things you won't find at every local mall, e.g. Zenith or vintage Omegas.
  • Ditch all the gold.
  • Get a normal tie that fits your frame.  If you must wear a bar, stick with something very understated.
  • Everything that people said about interns -- e.g. know your place -- still applies.
post #34 of 92

+1 on papa's watch advice.

 

You can pull off wearing a nicer timepiece if the brand is less well known here in the states. For example, I'm in my first year out of college and I wear an IWC. People who know watches respect my choice and are impressed. Others who aren't as enlightened usually believe Rolex to be the best brand in the world (9/10 people). These are the people who will think badly of you for wearing a Rolex.

post #35 of 92
Become a criminal defense lawyer - then you can wear whatever the fuck you want. Hell, my clients expect me to rock a Rolex. I'm wearing a tie bar right now with a skull and crossbones on it and I don't give a fuck who doesn't like it.

I think an intern can get away with a Rolex and a tie bar only if there is something extraordinary about them that allows them to pull it off. Otherwise, people are going to think that daddy's got a lot money and bought you an expensive watch. Nobody likes those people.
post #36 of 92
Thread Starter 
As much a like hearing most of you say the same thing, I'm going to need to remind you that this thread was not posted to shit on a 21 year old wearing a Rolex. I have dozens of friends who wear Rolex, JLC, Omega, and even Patek. My watch is not what I was asking about.

The question was about the cuff links. A watch is easily hidden and where I'm from not regarded as a big deal, cuff links on the other hand are not as common. Ive realized that my gold and onyx cuff links are too much for work so I have reserved those for only formal events. To work I started wearing the brooks brothers "knot on knot" fabric cuff links as to not be to showy.

I think this thread can be closed.
post #37 of 92
If you got the chutzpah/charisma/personality/etc to pull off cufflinks, then wear cufflinks. If your personality serves to make people think you might be a douche, the cufflinks are only going to confirm that.
post #38 of 92
Threads get closed on request now? :roma:

Yet another thread seeking validation, not advice.
post #39 of 92
Thread Starter 
This thread was asking for advice, advice on the cuff links not the watch. The advise was received and listened to. I bought very casual cuff links as to not see overly showy. The advise about the watch was also taken into consideration except I'm not returning it to buy a new one. The watch was much more expensive then the cuff links (as well as a 21st birthday gift) and I will Not return it because some of SF doesn't like it.

Again, I asked for advice about te cuff links and received it and listened to it. I also was told te tie was to wide so I bought some slimmer ties.
post #40 of 92
Honestly, I don't think the tie or the cufflinks are going to be your biggest problem making it in law. At the end of the day, law is a people business, and I'm not too sure about your people skills...
post #41 of 92
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Originally Posted by odoreater View Post

Honestly, I don't think the tie or the cufflinks are going to be your biggest problem making it in law. At the end of the day, law is a people business, and I'm not too sure about your people skills...

+1.

I'd say you should look for a line of work that doesn't involve face to face contract with people
post #42 of 92
Now, now, guys. He's a kid so he still has a lot of time to learn and mature. I know 21 year old me was no where near as able to handle people IRL as 40 something me is. I think the kid comes from money (Rolex as b-day gift) and those folks often have a steep learning curve if that's their weakness. He says he listened on some of the advice and that shows a positive, IMO.
post #43 of 92
I agree Pio. But, it's better for him to hear this stuff here on the forum than to have people think it IRL without telling him.
post #44 of 92
Dont worry about the watch you are wearing. It is very nice.

I would lose the tie bar, stop wearing cuff links, get proper work pants and a better fitting shirt. I hope you dont wear Alden's or Tassel Loafers. That would make you a real try hard - can't stand people who look out of place in their clothing.
post #45 of 92
Agree on that. No one really gets hurt from tough love here.
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