Styleforum › Forums › Men's Style › Classic Menswear › Luxire Custom Clothing - Official Affiliate Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Luxire Custom Clothing - Official Affiliate Thread - Page 64

post #946 of 2595
1/16/13 at 10:26am
Quote:
Originally Posted by gambit50 View Post

I was thinking  about ordering a couple of shirts from Luxire but this fit gives me great hesitation. It demonstrates the reason one avoids RTW except it is MTM. Perhaps the measurements were taken poorly, sure, but I do not want to order shirts that are completely useless. And I do not have a shirt with me to send in or measure from, thus the whole reason I might order a couple of emergency shirts.I would use body measurements. If anyone has any input(Luxire included, of course), feel free to enlighten me one way or the other.I would be completely upset if I received a shirt that fit this way. I know my measurements will not be so far off. 

The short (and painful) answer to this is there is no way to avoid fit issues. The only true way to get a (as close to) perfectly fitted shirt (as possible) would be to have a tailor make one for you and then have subsequent fittings and adjustments made. This takes into consideration things like sleeve pitch, collar modifications, length adjustments required to remedy shrinkage, etc, etc. However, this process is not the goal (nor should it be) of a MTM shirtmaker. Let alone one that operates on the internet.

I have turned to online shirtmakers to make the majority of my casual shirting (OCBDs and the like). However, I only get good results by taking measurements from my pre-existing bespoke shirts and denoting every fine detail and measurement involved. Sometimes the result has been great, sometimes not so much. However, remember the nature of the beast here; it's on you to get the end-product correct, not the maker. This would be a different story if a IRL tailor were involved.

My simplest advice would be to have multiple measurements taken. Take your own and then have a tailor measure you. If you're lucky, the tailor might even offer up advice on posture or necessary corrections to your current shirt. However, this will likely not happen unless the tailor has made garments for you in the past. From there you can "average out" your two measures and go from there. As with anything, I'd also recommend ordering a test shirt (in a cheaper material and with a more simplistic design (i.e. skip all the bells as whistles so often discussed here). That way you can get a more objective idea of fit and necessary alterations.
Reply
Reply

Featured Stories on Styleforum

Antonio Liverano, Florentine tailor
Derek Rose at Pitti Uomo 83
Marketplace: Classic menswear, shoes, and accessories
post #947 of 2595
1/16/13 at 10:30am
This is a problem with MTM in general. You probably don't know your measurements well enough to get a good result. With RTW, at least you are *usually* getting something that is of a decent style, proportion, etc, even if the fit isn't perfect. I'd definitely avoid MTM of any type, shirts, suits, shoes, anything, until you know yourself and your clothes well enough to justify it.

As long as the MTM outfit is producing the clothes to your measurement, they are doing their job. If you give them bad measurements, that's another problem.

This is doubly a problem with suits, and why I never recommend online MTM to anyone.
Reply
Reply
post #948 of 2595
1/16/13 at 10:32am
Quote:
Originally Posted by bourbonbasted View Post

The short (and painful) answer to this is there is no way to avoid fit issues. The only true way to get a (as close to) perfectly fitted shirt (as possible) would be to have a tailor make one for you and then have subsequent fittings and adjustments made. This takes into consideration things like sleeve pitch, collar modifications, length adjustments required to remedy shrinkage, etc, etc. However, this process is not the goal (nor should it be) of a MTM shirtmaker. Let alone one that operates on the internet.

I have turned to online shirtmakers to make the majority of my casual wardrobe (OCBDs and the like). However, I only get good results by taking measurements from my pre-existing bespoke shirts and denoting every fine detail and measurement involved. Sometimes the result has been great, sometimes not so much. However, remember the nature of the beast here; it's on you to get the end-product correct, not the maker. This would be a different story if a IRL tailor were involved.

My simplest advice would be to have multiple measurements taken. Take your own and then have a tailor measure you. If you're lucky, the tailor might even offer up advice on posture or necessary corrections to your current shirt. However, this will likely not happen unless the tailor has made garments for you in the past. From there you can "average out" your two measures and go from there. As with anything, I'd also recommend ordering a test shirt (in a cheaper material and with a more simplistic design (i.e. skip all the bells as whistles so often discussed here). That way you can get a more objective idea of fit and necessary alterations.

This right here. Said much better than I did.

Only thing I'd argue different is to find a RTW shirt that fits you as well as possible and then tweak from their--add some here, subtract some there, etc. Then you know what you are getting.
Reply
Reply
post #949 of 2595
1/16/13 at 10:37am
Quote:
Originally Posted by aravenel View Post

This right here. Said much better than I did.

Only thing I'd argue different is to find a RTW shirt that fits you as well as possible and then tweak from their--add some here, subtract some there, etc. Then you know what you are getting.

icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

And I agree with your idea for RTW. If you don't have a bespoke shirt to draw from, then take multiple measurements from what you find to be your best-fitting shirts. That is to say, if one fits perfect in the shoulders, use that measurement for shoulders. If one has the perfect sleeve length, use that for sleeve length. And so on and so forth.
Reply
Reply
post #950 of 2595
1/16/13 at 10:40am
Quote:
Originally Posted by aravenel View Post


This right here. Said much better than I did.

Only thing I'd argue different is to find a RTW shirt that fits you as well as possible and then tweak from their--add some here, subtract some there, etc. Then you know what you are getting.

 

I would add to it that most online tailors have their own, idiosyncratic systems of measurements: all the little allowances for shrinkage, adjustments for house style preferences, etc., that they calculate when you give them your measurements. Even if you give them what you've confirmed to be accurate measurements, you never really know what you're going to get until you see the output.

 

As such, 9 times out of 10, it's better to give them the measurements from an existing shirt that fits you well than to give them body measurements. Sometimes even sending in the shirt in question is warranted. You want to leave as little room for interpretation or guesswork as possible, whether on their part or your own. Let them make all their idiosyncratic calculations behind the scenes; you've showed them the specifications at which they need to arrive.

Reply
Reply
post #951 of 2595
1/16/13 at 11:19am
Before I gave a lot of thought to dressing well, I had bought one of those $20 H&M polyester shirts that fit me REALLY well. I then based all my measurements off of that, and tweaked them as I went on.

For people who say they don't have a shirt to measure, surely you're not walking around shirtless. Take any one of your shirts, and decide how you'd like it to fit better and simply adjust the measurements appropriately.
Reply
Reply
post #952 of 2595
1/16/13 at 1:36pm
While I haven't taken a ruler to any of my Luxire shirts, the measurements appear to be pretty much right on as I provided them. But even then, there's always going to be little things that can turn out badly – positioning of the neck hole was particularily an issue for me. But at Luxire's price, and keeping in mind that they will re-cut your shirt at no cost besides postage, I think they provide a pretty great deal. If you want a perfect fit right off the bat, you'll either have to really know your measurements (and probably be a little lucky), or simply go see a shirtmaker in real life. It will probably cost you twice as much and upwards though, so for the money, I think it's hard to argue Luxire provides a great product.

What I've always done with online MTM is to take multiple shirts I own and try to figure out each ones strengths and weaknesses. One might have the neck right, but be too wide in the body, one might have the body right but too short sleeves, etc… Combining these measurements have always gotten me fairly good results.
Reply
Reply
post #953 of 2595
1/16/13 at 1:45pm
+1 Arsenal. Well said.
Reply
Reply
post #954 of 2595
1/16/13 at 3:39pm

It is not as if I don't understand the process. I get it full well and I do not expect a perfectly fitting shirt.  I was just taken aback by the example I cited. 

Seems the usual product(based on the words of most posters) is reasonably fitting or better which is fair and I will probably go with it if I still have the need within a few days. And, no, I don't have a bloody shirt to measure off of in my current situation, that is the whole issue. Shirtless? No, but adjusting measurements based off what is with me will yield a worse result. I might as well use a tshirt.

If I had a proper shirt(maybe two), I would not require the services. And I do not expect the same result as the 400 euro jobs but something much better than terrible.

Funny, there is a fairly simple way for MTM shops to get a near perfect model for fit given the technology available. Some added cost but minimal compared to the total and surely worth it if it allows for tinkering while the client is not local. Thanks to those who chimed in, usefully.

Reply
Reply
post #955 of 2595
1/16/13 at 4:00pm
You obviously did something wrong, pure and simple. It sometimes happens. It sometimes takes a few goes before you get it right. Just how it is for some.
Reply
Reply
post #956 of 2595
1/16/13 at 4:29pm
gambit, in your case I'd approach as following.

Measure your neck and buy a RTW shirt of Luxire of one of their cheapest fabrics and in either the slim or very slim cut.
Wash and wear it several times, then go see several alternations tailors in your area.
Discuss with them what you like and dislike in your shirt and what they would change.
While most alternation tailors might not imagine a SF approved fit, they still have plenty experience in modifying shirts and should at least be able to give you some ideas.
At the tailor you feel the most comfortable with, let the shirt be changed according to what was discussed.
Wash and wear it several times, ask yourself once again, what do you like, what do you dislike?
Order a first custom shirt based on the garment measurements of the modified RTW shirt with no more than one or two important changes.
Start the whole process over again.

You can't come up with a shirt you feel comfortable in without some try & error.
The process is a great learning experience and imo needed to get an idea what you like and dislike in a shirt.
Luxire received several good reviews from people who know very well about quality clothing.
I think you can't go terribely wrong with them.
Reply
Reply
post #957 of 2595
1/16/13 at 4:58pm
To be fair to gambit, I did receive a shirt that was completely out of whack on measurements and sent it back which sucked, since the cost of shipping was quite high. If I hadn't had to send another shirt back for something that was my mistake, I probably would have just eaten the loss.

And this is after I received shirts from them with proper measurements, so I am not sure what happened there.
Reply
Reply
post #958 of 2595
1/16/13 at 5:05pm
Mistakes that are not your own sometimes happen, too. That's the chance you take with online MTM.
Reply
Reply
post #959 of 2595
1/16/13 at 6:01pm
Luxire has preset size chart for their regular slim and extra slim fit shirting. I know every one thinks they are special and hard to fit. Humans are built in the generally to the same ratios. Check your measurements against the "standard". If you are wildly off your shirt will most likely be F-ed. Small tweaks should be made based on preference (otherwise why do mtm). In summary use the standard listed sizing as your sanity check. Check the temple of jaws thread. Drew (for the most part) is moving away from m2m because his standard sizing should work for 95% of the population. I bet the measurements for that Ill fitting shirt shown are way different then the standard measurement for the neck size he ordered.
Reply
Reply
post #960 of 2595
1/16/13 at 6:16pm
Thread Starter 

A good bespoke tailor would start by making you a shirt in muslin cloth, call you for a few trials, which can range from 2 to 10, or more and finally be able to give you a shirt that fits perfectly. The cost of such service is many multiples of our service.

 

Hence, it is slightly unfair to expect any online MTM maker to get it right the first time, without even looking at you. And getting upset, well!

 

There are customers, and a lot of them, who have had the best fitting shirts of their lives in 1-2 iterations. Some of our customers have made good use of our "free" bespoke package.

 

People who have sent us images after the first wear have had much better results in getting the perfect fit. Images help us analyze many aspects, the primary being the slope of the shoulders and the symmetry between the two sides of the body.

 

Our unconditional free-remake is an unmatched service, which gives you the opportunity to refine the fit of your first shirt.

Reply
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Classic Menswear

Featured Stories on Styleforum

Antonio Liverano, Florentine tailor
Derek Rose at Pitti Uomo 83
Marketplace: Classic menswear, shoes, and accessories
Styleforum › Forums › Men's Style › Classic Menswear › Luxire Custom Clothing - Official Affiliate Thread