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post #1 of 20
2/19/07 at 2:57am
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Hey guys, I just started working out, and was wondering if getting those big tubs of whey protein is beneficial. I want to gain 10lbs in muscle, can I do it alone on food alone, or will those whey protein shakes help me get there faster? Also what type of whey protein do you guys recommend GNC?
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post #2 of 20
2/19/07 at 2:59am
you can do it without whey proteiin
just eat lots of protein rich foods
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post #3 of 20
2/19/07 at 3:16am
You can do it on food alone. However you might want to consider a post workout shake to help increase recovery (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi4.htm). Personally I would recommend optimum nutrition brand, the double chocolate is pretty good.
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post #4 of 20
2/19/07 at 3:21am
I always thought post recovery shakes were good and all...but honeslty there not really neccessary..according to my sports and nutrition professor..haah
unless your some super athlete working out at high intensity at least like 2-3 hours a day, you dont need a recovery shake
if you eat right, youll also get enough protein to help build the 10lbs of muscle your looking for and wont need the help of suppliments
id just eat some fruit afterwards even though you havnt depleted your glycogen after a work out (again unless your a marathon runner or something)
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post #5 of 20
2/19/07 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by ghulkhan
I always thought post recovery shakes were good and all...but honeslty there not really neccessary..according to my sports and nutrition professor..haah
unless your some super athlete working out at high intensity at least like 2-3 hours a day, you dont need a recovery shake
if you eat right, youll also get enough protein to help build the 10lbs of muscle your looking for and wont need the help of suppliments
id just eat some fruit afterwards even though you havnt depleted your glycogen after a work out (again unless your a marathon runner or something)

Is your sports/nutrition professor in shape?

I think a MRP (whey/vitamins/minerals/ etc) with a high glycemic like grape juice is superior due to much faster digestion/absorption, higher quality proteins/faster digested proteins, etc. I can't imagine a chicken breast (for example) being the same nor even remotely superior to that. It takes nearly 3 to 4 hours to digest a chicken breat breast completely if I'm not mistaken. And trying to eat real food every 3 hours with solid macronutrient ratios sure isn't easy nor very realistic.

About a decade ago, they were doing grape juice (high glycemic)/metrx vanilla, creatine/l glutamine. I will say the 'pump' off of this is amazing! And having an athlete taking in roughly 25 to 35 % of his daily caloric intake post workout. The body is under the best scernario to shuttle proteins/carbs etc toward muscle tissue etc. and not fat. Then have the the rest of one's calories spaced out every 3 hours or so with lower to moderate glycemic indexes/combinations of food etc.

----To the original poster, I think they help as it can be daunting to eat 6 to 7 times a day without shakes/bars etc.
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post #6 of 20
2/19/07 at 12:34pm
If you're looking to gain 10lbs of muscle, you're going to WANT (note, not need) a supplement like protein shakes. I weight 180lbs and have put on about 7lbs in 2 months. I eat around 250-300grams of protein per day. A can of tuna has 30grams of protein, a chicken breast about 50grams. So do the math here and decide if you can seriously consume that much food, day in and day out. Everyday for months at a time. That's why protein shakes are great. You need protein to build muscle and it's really expensive eating that much, not to mention tiring on your palatte and belly. It's 930am and I've had 2 "meals" already and just over 100grams of protein. That'd be one helluva lot of real food for this early in the am .
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post #7 of 20
2/19/07 at 1:20pm
You don't need 300 grams of protein. Anything above (1.5 x your bodyweight in lbs)g is, to simplfy, mostly wasted, and if you go too high, you're skirting some kidney damage. However, whey is incredibly useful, and if you're at all serious about training, you probably should be using it. You can manage with consuming protein through normal food, but it's very difficult to consume enough that way. I've been quite happy since fining Optimum Nutrition's natural line.
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post #8 of 20
2/19/07 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by Arethusa
You don't need 300 grams of protein. Anything above (1.5 x your bodyweight in lbs)g is, to simplfy, mostly wasted, and if you go too high, you're skirting some kidney damage.

However, whey is incredibly useful, and if you're at all serious about training, you probably should be using it. You can manage with consuming protein through normal food, but it's very difficult to consume enough that way. I've been quite happy since fining Optimum Nutrition's natural line.


I'll agree Optimum produces some great basic products that mix well, taste good, digest well and at some of the best prices I've seen. They have a reputation for quality.
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post #9 of 20
2/19/07 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by vanity
If you're looking to gain 10lbs of muscle, you're going to WANT (note, not need) a supplement like protein shakes. I weight 180lbs and have put on about 7lbs in 2 months. I eat around 250-300grams of protein per day.

A can of tuna has 30grams of protein, a chicken breast about 50grams. So do the math here and decide if you can seriously consume that much food, day in and day out. Everyday for months at a time. That's why protein shakes are great. You need protein to build muscle and it's really expensive eating that much, not to mention tiring on your palatte and belly.

It's 930am and I've had 2 "meals" already and just over 100grams of protein. That'd be one helluva lot of real food for this early in the am .

I don't think you need 300 grams of protein but at least a gram per lb. of bodyweight for sure contrary to the dieticians, and I agree with the rest of your logic. Trying to eat 6 to 7 times a day with chicken, tuna, meat ONLY in each meal is not realistic. Hence why protein shakes and bars are essential to me. Yes, I've already had 2 to 3 meals today myself.
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post #10 of 20
2/19/07 at 4:30pm
I say go for it 100%. It is possible to get all of you protein needs from foods, but protein shakes help. My breakfast consists of, apart from other things, 2 scoops of whey protein. ~46g of protein just right there.
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post #11 of 20
2/19/07 at 4:56pm
Throw in two cups of soy milk or two cups of milk and you can get into the mid 60s in a single shake. Even with shakes, the real hard part is getting the proper amount of carbs. There aren't really carb shakes (no decent ones, anyway), unfortunately.
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post #12 of 20
2/19/07 at 5:05pm
I'll usually drink a protein shake and fruit juice immediately after a workout, but for meals I prefer to eat real foods. I normally prepare my daily intake of food in the morning (either grilled chicken breasts, lean beefsteak, or raw tuna, as mentioned before, having no variety sucks) and eat some every couple hours. Most of my carbs are from fruit and fruit juices.
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post #13 of 20
2/19/07 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by Arethusa
Throw in two cups of soy milk or two cups of milk and you can get into the mid 60s in a single shake. Even with shakes, the real hard part is getting the proper amount of carbs. There aren't really carb shakes (no decent ones, anyway), unfortunately.

If you want post work out carbs you can just buy maltodextrin or dextrose and put it in. It is cheap and I get mine from here : http://proteinfactory.com/store/
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post #14 of 20
2/20/07 at 1:37am
you can do it food alone, like everyone else said. You just have to consume MASSIVE amounts of protein.
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post #15 of 20
2/20/07 at 2:43am
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Originally Posted by Gradstudent78
If you want post work out carbs you can just buy maltodextrin or dextrose and put it in. It is cheap and I get mine from here : http://proteinfactory.com/store/
Pretty useless when you need complex carbs. A little sugar replenishment post work out is one thing; using that stuff as a carb source in your diet is just insane.
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