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post #121 of 163

The main complaint I (and most others) have with the Z-33 is its height. It's far too tall to fit under a shirt cuff and even worn casually it's comically thick.

 

http://www.luxuriousmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/speedmaster-spacemaster-top.jpg
 

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Do you realize who you're giving brand whore advice to?

Alas I do. I figured I'd make one more attempt at salvation, and if in the process I managed to provide a joke for every other forum member then happy to do it biggrin.gif.
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Do you realize who you're giving brand whore advice to?

 

I take that you guys did not read the blog...

 

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post #124 of 163
$5k gives you decent latitude. Here are the 5 watches I'll consider at that price point. All of them a pretty iconic, I don't think you can do any better at that price, unless you are into pre-owned. You might want to take a look at Bremont as well. Their simpler watches are right around $5k.

post #125 of 163
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Nomos is very nice, one of the best brands for watches under 5k. It is a true manufacture, has reasonable servicing costs and has classically beautiful designs. These are traits rarely found in any watch brand, let alone one under 5k.

This is actually my next purchase! Its kind of strange nobody on SF is paying much attention to it! This brand has alot going for it, ie., high quality, in-house design and awsome prices! Hell, if I where still collecting I would buy twobiggrin.gif

post #126 of 163

If this thread gets more people to look at Nomos, then call it a win. +1 on the Speedmaster and el Primero, though they're not really in the same price range.

 

For the OP's budget and "intent," I'd suggest a Zenith Class Elite and Sinn 556. One dress, one rugged. Both a little off the beaten path.

 

post #127 of 163
+1 to the zenith elite and the sinn suggestions. I've drooled over both of these at some point. One day I'd like to add at least one of them to my collection.
post #128 of 163

Does anyone know if Zenith still makes the HW Elite? (I think I got the name backwards) At one point I was looking into those models before I stumbled into Nomos! They are more of a dress watch and I thought when I am ready I will purchase the gold model (if its still in production)! 

post #129 of 163
One thing I don;'t like about Nomos is that while they may be one of the best value for money watch brands around, they are still overpriced for what they are. If memory serves the difference between the sapphire back and solid back is several hundred euros. On some other watch brands there is no upcharge for this, and I dont think the sapphire crystal is worth several hundred euros at all.

Also the Peseux calibre is an economically-designed movement more in keeping with a watch under 500 USD than one costing 1000-2000.

Plus there have been several price increases since 2005, which put them further out of proportion with their quality.

Having said all that, I still think they are one of the best value watch brands around right now, and their designs are very refreshing. Compared to most mainstream brands, Nomos is a steal. I just think one can do even better looking outside Europe, just like how German watches tend to be better priced than Swiss ones, and appeal to connoisseurs who can look past the SWISS MADE marketing spiel.
post #130 of 163
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One thing I don;'t like about Nomos is that while they may be one of the best value for money watch brands around, they are still overpriced for what they are. If memory serves the difference between the sapphire back and solid back is several hundred euros. On some other watch brands there is no upcharge for this, and I dont think the sapphire crystal is worth several hundred euros at all.

Also the Peseux calibre is an economically-designed movement more in keeping with a watch under 500 USD than one costing 1000-2000.

Plus there have been several price increases since 2005, which put them further out of proportion with their quality.

Having said all that, I still think they are one of the best value watch brands around right now, and their designs are very refreshing. Compared to most mainstream brands, Nomos is a steal. I just think one can do even better looking outside Europe, just like how German watches tend to be better priced than Swiss ones, and appeal to connoisseurs who can look past the SWISS MADE marketing spiel.

Some good points. I wondered that myself about the display back. Also the price difference for a date function seems out of proportion as well. Consider that the date doesn't set the same as most watches and is more time consuming. I am wondering if it's even desirable.

There are gray market dealers in Europe offering discounts on Nomos (Chrono24). While some might be a slightly older model but still new, they are an option to pay even less. I have compared the Tangomat with Stowa Antea. You do seem to be paying a lot for the movement but the Nomos is also thinner and from what I can tell has slightly better finishing such as the textured second dial.
post #131 of 163
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Some good points. I wondered that myself about the display back. Also the price difference for a date function seems out of proportion as well. Consider that the date doesn't set the same as most watches and is more time consuming. I am wondering if it's even desirable.

There are gray market dealers in Europe offering discounts on Nomos (Chrono24). While some might be a slightly older model but still new, they are an option to pay even less. I have compared the Tangomat with Stowa Antea. You do seem to be paying a lot for the movement but the Nomos is also thinner and from what I can tell has slightly better finishing such as the textured second dial.

Agreed. The date function is a handicap of the Peseux 7001 which the Nomos Alpha movement is based on. It is outdated and clumsy, but Nomos marketing bills it as quaint and charming to have to set the date the long and tedious way. As I mentioned before, such a movement is not in keeping with a watch of that price range. The Peseux is the cheapest manual wind mechanical movement around and so was the default choice when Nomos began.

Some of the older Nomos watches (pre-2008 or 2007 if I recall) do not have the manufacture movement and instead have bought in ebauches used. So this is less desirable from a purist perspective.

The Nomos watches are priced about 2-3x the Stowa Antea (I think one of Stowas cheapest models) so the extra finishing should be a given with the price difference. All that said, I would say Stowa is better value than Nomos considering both use ETA movements (Nomos makes them in-house but the Alpha is based entirely on the Peseux; this does not apply to their other movements which have modules added upon the Peseux design). I like Jorg's service as well, having had experience with his mid-market Schauer brand
post #132 of 163
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Agreed. The date function is a handicap of the Peseux 7001 which the Nomos Alpha movement is based on. It is outdated and clumsy, but Nomos marketing bills it as quaint and charming to have to set the date the long and tedious way. As I mentioned before, such a movement is not in keeping with a watch of that price range. The Peseux is the cheapest manual wind mechanical movement around and so was the default choice when Nomos began.

Some of the older Nomos watches (pre-2008 or 2007 if I recall) do not have the manufacture movement and instead have bought in ebauches used. So this is less desirable from a purist perspective.

The Nomos watches are priced about 2-3x the Stowa Antea (I think one of Stowas cheapest models) so the extra finishing should be a given with the price difference. All that said, I would say Stowa is better value than Nomos considering both use ETA movements (Nomos makes them in-house but the Alpha is based entirely on the Peseux; this does not apply to their other movements which have modules added upon the Peseux design). I like Jorg's service as well, having had experience with his mid-market Schauer brand

Damn, your tyring to talk me out of puchasing! What about their power reserve models? Do you think these are over-priced as well? The only thing that really bugs me about Nomos is the WR 10-3atm, man that almost just kills it for me! 

post #133 of 163
I'm not really trying to talk you out of purchasing a Nomos, just offering viewpoints for and against. Their power reserve models have an extra in-house module added on, which you pay more for. So as to whether they are overpriced, that depends on how important the value-add is to you.

I agree, I think many watch brands state that their dressy watches are 3atm, and to me that is a cop-out. It is a statement as to the quality of the case engineering and manufacture when they can be water resistant above 5atm.

As an example, for my CELADON Premier watch that I designed, the case is water resistant to 5 atm (50m). It is suitable for light swimming and water sports, and is a watch that can and should be used everyday for both casual and dressy occasions. It is also discretionarily warrantied for life. And my watch is less expensive than any of the Nomos models, so there is no reason they or any other brand cannot do the same. It's all about maximising profits at the expense of quality.
post #134 of 163
Interesting that there are so many "Have 5k, what watch to buy threads", I must have seen at least 3 of them so far.

Are there any 18k gold watches at the 5k mark? I think even Stowa's are above that price range.
post #135 of 163
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