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post #1636 of 1903
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Originally Posted by patliean1 View Post
 

 

Never spend regular price on AS for J CREW.

True. They can had for 30% off with a little bit of patience and luck (in terms of availability of right size), or with a lot of luck even 75% off for a couple of models.  I've seen good deals on eBay as well. I got mine NWOB at $200 shipped, and the boots were in near flawless condition. Luckily I was the only bidder. AS doesn't get the same level of appreciation as Alden or even AE. Based on my personal experience with one AS for J CREW model and a single pair of Aldens (navy chromexcel boot), I find them to be of comparable quality. In fact between these two specific models, IMHO the AS for J CREW is of slightly higher quality.

post #1637 of 1903
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Originally Posted by TtownMD View Post


AFPOS carrys exclusive line step above jcrew & jcrew prices are same as AFPOS & you get step below but still not bad at all. I am very happy with mine AS from jcrew.

Some of the models (non-exclusive line?) seem identical, specifically the double monks and longwing brogues. Perhaps the quality of the AFPOS leather is better, and you can't really determine this without seeing both products

 

http://www.afinepairofshoes.co.uk/collections/seconds-samples/products/seconds-double-monk-in-mahogany-calf-various-sizes

 

https://www.jcrew.com/mens_category/shoes/oxfords/PRDOVR~02801/02801.jsp

post #1638 of 1903
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Originally Posted by patliean1 View Post

Never spend regular price on AS for J CREW.
+1 very very true my man
post #1639 of 1903
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Originally Posted by flylikeneagle View Post

Some of the models (non-exclusive line?) seem identical, specifically the double monks and longwing brogues. Perhaps the quality of the AFPOS leather is better, and you can't really determine this without seeing both products

http://www.afinepairofshoes.co.uk/collections/seconds-samples/products/seconds-double-monk-in-mahogany-calf-various-sizes

https://www.jcrew.com/mens_category/shoes/oxfords/PRDOVR~02801/02801.jsp
Well for starter afpof is 2nd to begin with meaning it will have some kind of flaw. Vs jcrew has none but I would say AFPOS is from exclusive line.
post #1640 of 1903
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Originally Posted by flylikeneagle View Post
 

Some of the models (non-exclusive line?) seem identical, specifically the double monks and longwing brogues. Perhaps the quality of the AFPOS leather is better, and you can't really determine this without seeing both products

 

http://www.afinepairofshoes.co.uk/collections/seconds-samples/products/seconds-double-monk-in-mahogany-calf-various-sizes

 

https://www.jcrew.com/mens_category/shoes/oxfords/PRDOVR~02801/02801.jsp

 

 

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Well for starter afpof is 2nd to begin with meaning it will have some kind of flaw. Vs jcrew has none but I would say AFPOS is from exclusive line.

 

So there is AS for AFPOS on the site now which to me are basically Alfred Sargent made to the same standards as AS for J Crew and AS for Herring shoes. The designs are probably a collaborative effort between AS and the brands and therefore each retailer has different models. The most obvious difference of these "made for" shoes from the exclusive line is the lack of channeled soles and rolled waist. AS for AFPOS does not have those features, which makes them a step down from exclusive. The quality of the uppers are probably similar if not a step down, but I would bet are still high quality. My guess is that AS for J Crew = AS for AFPOS in terms of quality. 

 

There was also AFPOS branded (not AS for AFPOS) that used to be on the AFPOS site that were AS exclusive level shoes made on AS Handgrade lasts. These were priced similarly to AS exclusive shoes. It appears that this is no longer continuing.

 

Lastly, I speculate that AFPOS has a distribution agreement to sell AS seconds regardless of if they are exclusively made for AFPOS or J Crew (maybe not Herring since I don't see their models on the site). Some of the models on that part of the site, I've only seen there. The Mahogany double monks are a dead ringer for AS for J Crew. They also had some navy suede ones much like the J Crew versions. I wouldn't use the shoes in the seconds/samples listing as an indicator of what styles or quality are for which retailer. 

 

Anyway, ~$400 USD (I haven't calculated the VAT/shipping, but I always fine that the shipping cost basically nullifies the VAT savings) AS for AFPOS is a great price. Much cheaper than AS for J Crew, Aldens, a little cheaper than Carmina and similar to AE prices i you consider applicable sales tax. Although AE can be had for less so regularly that I think its unfair when people compare anything to their retail price.

post #1641 of 1903
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Originally Posted by TtownMD View Post


Well for starter afpof is 2nd to begin with meaning it will have some kind of flaw. Vs jcrew has none but I would say AFPOS is from exclusive line.

 

afaik: AFPOS sells firsts as its primary business-, but also sells seconds (indicated as such) when those become available

post #1642 of 1903
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Originally Posted by sleepyinsanfran View Post

afaik: AFPOS sells firsts as its primary business-, but also sells seconds (indicated as such) when those become available
You are absolutely correct sir I was just ordering to the gentleman question above the shoe he was comparing his jcrew was 2nd shoe.
post #1643 of 1903
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You are absolutely correct sir I was just ordering to the gentleman question above the shoe he was comparing his jcrew was 2nd shoe.

 

My bad. I didnt realize he was comparing afpos seconds to jcrew firsts. I need to be more attentive online! :cheers:

post #1644 of 1903
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Originally Posted by sleepyinsanfran View Post
 

 

afaik: AFPOS sells firsts as its primary business-, but also sells seconds (indicated as such) when those become available

 

 

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Originally Posted by NWTeal View Post
 

 

 

 

So there is AS for AFPOS on the site now which to me are basically Alfred Sargent made to the same standards as AS for J Crew and AS for Herring shoes. The designs are probably a collaborative effort between AS and the brands and therefore each retailer has different models. The most obvious difference of these "made for" shoes from the exclusive line is the lack of channeled soles and rolled waist. AS for AFPOS does not have those features, which makes them a step down from exclusive. The quality of the uppers are probably similar if not a step down, but I would bet are still high quality. My guess is that AS for J Crew = AS for AFPOS in terms of quality. 

 

There was also AFPOS branded (not AS for AFPOS) that used to be on the AFPOS site that were AS exclusive level shoes made on AS Handgrade lasts. These were priced similarly to AS exclusive shoes. It appears that this is no longer continuing.

 

Lastly, I speculate that AFPOS has a distribution agreement to sell AS seconds regardless of if they are exclusively made for AFPOS or J Crew (maybe not Herring since I don't see their models on the site). Some of the models on that part of the site, I've only seen there. The Mahogany double monks are a dead ringer for AS for J Crew. They also had some navy suede ones much like the J Crew versions. I wouldn't use the shoes in the seconds/samples listing as an indicator of what styles or quality are for which retailer. 

 

Anyway, ~$400 USD (I haven't calculated the VAT/shipping, but I always fine that the shipping cost basically nullifies the VAT savings) AS for AFPOS is a great price. Much cheaper than AS for J Crew, Aldens, a little cheaper than Carmina and similar to AE prices i you consider applicable sales tax. Although AE can be had for less so regularly that I think its unfair when people compare anything to their retail price.

 

 

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Originally Posted by TtownMD View Post


Well for starter afpof is 2nd to begin with meaning it will have some kind of flaw. Vs jcrew has none but I would say AFPOS is from exclusive line.

 

All thanks for the replies, very enlightening discussion for me.

 

NWTeal, I think your speculation re. distribution agreement of seconds may well be correct because AFPOS sells the J Crew type models only as seconds and samples. Also agree comparison to AE at retail is not a fair comparison. I mentioned AE mainly in relation to my ebay purchase.   I was the only bidder/watcher of the boots I purchased (NWOB in near mint condition). And yet when I listed my NIB Dalton seconds a few days after my AS purchase, the Dalton's sold within two days at my Buy It Now price (38% higher than my $200 AS boots).   I suppose given the ready availability of AEs in the US and it's general quality/value it makes sense there is greater awareness and demand for AE (and to be frank 90% of shoes I own are from AE, although I'm starting to explore other manufacturers).

post #1645 of 1903

Alfred Sargent, Snuff Suede, Ramsey today !!!
post #1646 of 1903
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Alfred Sargent, Snuff Suede, Ramsey today !!!


Nice!

post #1647 of 1903

Just received my Moore's from AFPOS - two business days delivery to Hong Kong for free?  How can you possibly beat that?


Will post some pics when I get home, but very excited to try these out!

post #1648 of 1903
Stellar service, how it should be done nod[1].gif
post #1649 of 1903

No disappointment here - this is a great looking shoe, the construction appears to be top notch, and the leather is clearly very high quality.  Very happy to add these to my collection...

 

Moore 11.5F on 724 last.  (Apologies for poor lighting - the combination of a rainy day and a small dim Hong Kong apartment plus my photo skills makes for terrible pics!)

 

 

 

post #1650 of 1903
Can any of the AS experts tell me which last would be a "B" or narrow width last. Don't have any retailers near me that stock the brand.
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