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post #31 of 102
I merely indirectly pointed out the origin of the fashion in tie knots stems from the British monarchy (which you didn't know). This is appropriate for a thread on tie knots.

I happen to think the origin of fashion is important, I'm not alone, e.g. Alexander McQueen. This seems appropriate in context of errors.
Edited by Hacking jacket - 2/20/13 at 9:17pm
post #32 of 102

One thing to note is that the knot will vary the length of the tie when finished.  If you use the FIH but the tie extends beyond your belt because you are short, try a 1/2-W.  That should make it easier to establish the correct length for the tie; if still too long try the full Windsor.

post #33 of 102

Try a double FIH before any Windsor. 

post #34 of 102

Whenever I'm sporting a FIH(which would be always), all the regular Joes ask why I don't use a full Windsor, or in some rare cases even ask If I've learned to tie a proper knot. 

 

I have no idea why the hideous and over sized full windsor became the one and only standard. Doesn't really help that all the guys are wearing thick poly Ties, which only amplifies the size. 

post #35 of 102
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Originally Posted by dreamspace View Post

Whenever I'm sporting a FIH(which would be always), all the regular Joes ask why I don't use a full Windsor, or in some rare cases even ask If I've learned to tie a proper knot. 

 

I have no idea why the hideous and over sized full windsor became the one and only standard. Doesn't really help that all the guys are wearing thick poly Ties, which only amplifies the size. 

It's just because people think harder to do = better. I get comments like that too, and people also tell me that dimpling my ties is "sloppy". Plus, there is a tendency to think bigger knots look better no matter what your proportions are. It's not limited to the Windsor knot; yesterday there was a guy on the train who was wearing a HUGE four in hand and he was so thin it looked even bigger on him. The fact that the tie was a "look at me!" bright orange didn't help. And his attitude seemed to indicate that he was convinced he looked great confused.gif

post #36 of 102



Small, clean, discreet and professional. Just like a tie knot should be
post #37 of 102

It's actually a myth (or an urban legend) that the Windsor knots were invented by royalty.

 

Said Royal did prefer a larger knot, but achieved this look by using expensive custom made ties with thicker material or more layers.

 

The knot was invented by people who wanted the appearance of the larger knot without the expense of a custom-made tie.

 

 

 

That said, in summer I have been known to deliberately wear a tie made from thinner material for comfort, and then use a larger knot to bring the appearance back to neutral. However I'd tend to use a Pratt, Nicky or Albert knot than either Windsor variant.

 

 

 

You should also pay attention to the styling of your shirt, especially the cut of the collar, as the framing of the knot alters the perceptual appearance of the knot itself.

 

Likewise, the same tie and knot on a larger gentleman will look different.

 

 

 

There is no "one true knot" for all occasions, and as with any sartorial choice ones tie knot should be considered as part of the overall ensemble.

 

That said, the four-in-hand should be considered the default knot when one has no pressing reason to use any other.

post #38 of 102
I use the Pratt for weddings and interviews. FIH for other occasions. Bow ties sprinkled in.

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post #39 of 102

I personally think Windsor and Pratt are the best.

 

 

Windsor

 

 

 

Pratt

 

 

But I've seen these Eldredge, Trinity and Cape Knots which are epic!

 

 

Eldredge

 

 

Trinity

 

 

Cape

post #40 of 102
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Originally Posted by dreamspace View Post

Whenever I'm sporting a FIH(which would be always), all the regular Joes ask why I don't use a full Windsor, or in some rare cases even ask If I've learned to tie a proper knot. 

 

I have no idea why the hideous and over sized full windsor became the one and only standard. Doesn't really help that all the guys are wearing thick poly Ties, which only amplifies the size. 

 

 

Dude, where do you hang out where 'regular joes' a) know the difference between a FIH and a Windsor, and b) care enough to comment? smile.gif

 

I find the Windsor neither hideous nor oversized when tied properly (a tight compact tuck of the double fold before proceeding further).  I agree that it doesn't work with ties made from very thick material.  The FIH, by the same token, doesn't work well in many spread collars, and never looks right in a cutaway, IMO.

post #41 of 102
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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post

 

 

Dude, where do you hang out where 'regular joes' a) know the difference between a FIH and a Windsor

 

For many of the uninformed, symmetry is the only criteria they understand.

 

They are wrong of course, asymmetric design has been a part of style forever, but to the uninformed that's not immediately obvious.

post #42 of 102
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Edited by Hacking jacket - 2/21/13 at 1:55pm
post #43 of 102
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Originally Posted by Calder View Post

It's actually a myth (or an urban legend) that the Windsor knots were invented by royalty.

 

Said Royal did prefer a larger knot, but achieved this look by using expensive custom made ties with thicker material or more layers.

 

The knot was invented by people who wanted the appearance of the larger knot without the expense of a custom-made tie.

 

Thanks interesting: the gist is the aristocracy and gentry historically mimicked royalty and proved enduring from Edward VII/George V. The Windsor knot was named after the House of Windsor following their change of name during WWI

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EDIT ......... This is getting boring and I regret bringing this up ... the exotic tie knots are really fun.

... more exotics ... the cross 


Edited by Hacking jacket - 2/21/13 at 12:23pm
post #44 of 102
FIH for me, sometimes the Prince Albert variation if I want a bit more heft. I prefer something not perfectly symmetrical.
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Originally Posted by Calder View Post

For many of the uninformed, symmetry is the only criteria they understand.

They are wrong of course, asymmetric design has been a part of style forever, but to the uninformed that's not immediately obvious.

+1. I hope these same "regular joes" don't expect your suit to have a breast pocket outside each lapel. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post


Dude, where do you hang out where 'regular joes' a) know the difference between a FIH and a Windsor, and b) care enough to comment? smile.gif

I find the Windsor neither hideous nor oversized when tied properly (a tight compact tuck of the double fold before proceeding further).  I agree that it doesn't work with ties made from very thick material.  The FIH, by the same token, doesn't work well in many spread collars, and never looks right in a cutaway, IMO.

I find that the Prince Albert variation of the FIH works pretty well in these situations as it adds a bit of extra heft to the knot to counterbalance the wider spread of the color. YMMV.
post #45 of 102

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First attempt at a trinity. I will use the knot for my lecture tomorrow. Its easy to tie, viz. double Winsor with the thin end and loop it through the last knot ... very hard to get even close to the picture above (purple silk tie). I prefer square-end bow ties.

 

Casual shirt only (High and Mighty), with RL Polo  knitted cashmere/linen top and the tie is a printed silk Monet from the Barnes Collection, Philly.


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