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post #16 of 33
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday
It's not about the environment, despite your rather rude italics. I just think Park Aves look too dressy to be worn without a jacket. Personally, I save captoe bals without broguing, in dark brown and black, for suits. Your mileage may vary.
If "[i]t's not about the environment," then why did you attempt to clarify your initial statement ("I would not choose the Park Ave for either khakis or odd trousers") by adding this:
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday
Bear in mind that he mentioned "business casual," which often includes neither coat nor tie. For that purpose, I would not suggest the Park Ave, even in brown.
You seem kind of sensitive about my use of italics. Shall we meet at the O.K. Corral tomorrow, at dawn?
post #17 of 33
I am wearing the AE Chester in burgundy (looks dark brown in this light) with jeans right now. My insanely gorgeous wife was all about "those shoes look great with jeans." And I was just trying them on since they just came from the ebays.

Get a wingtip balmoral and I think you can wear it with anything and most anywhere. It's the least dressy balmoral so it's pretty all-purpose. The new AE McClain looks real good to me (though I am a little cold on the chili thing).
post #18 of 33
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Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman
If "[i]t's not about the environment," then why did you attempt to clarify your initial statement ("I would not choose the Park Ave for either khakis or odd trousers") by adding this:

The point is that the jacket is missing, not where it is missing. The look doesn't work any better at a restaurant than at a business-casual office.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman
You seem kind of sensitive about my use of italics. Shall we meet at the O.K. Corral tomorrow, at dawn?

First I'd have to play you a little Chopin.
post #19 of 33
Doc,

You could have just said, "I would not choose the Park Ave for either khakis or odd trousers sans jacket."

That might have been clearer, no? I'm sorry that I'm so dense and didn't pick up on your "true" meaning until now.

Why don't you go back and change your post? You seem to be familiar with the edit function:
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday
I would have thought this was clear enough, but apparently, as you point out, some people require clarification.
Best,
PB
post #20 of 33
Pardon my efforts to be civil. I chose to remove my rude remark, whereas you've stood by yours. That means ... something, I guess.
post #21 of 33
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRon
I work as a consultant in an environment where a jacket and/or tie denotes a status that is reserved for upper management, and therefore it would be inappropriate (read: it would alienate the clients I work with day to day) to wear them. I am slightly unfamiliar with the word "broguing". I just purchased some byrons (cap toe w/ perf on the cap). Does that qualify? I was 50/50 on whether or not they would be appropriate w/ shirt and trousers but I am pretty confident they'll work well.


I have the Byron in chili that you show. I reserve my balmorals--A-E Park Avenues (2) and Byrons (3)--strictly for wear with suits, which I wear infrequently. However, chili is a less "formal" shoe color than some others, so you could probably get away with wearing the Byrons with an odd jacket. Wearing them with a shirt and trousers would seem to present a sartorial incongruity. However, the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people you meet and deal with are going to be quite oblivious to such sartorial niceties.
post #22 of 33
It's almost in the borderline spectrum of choices, but it could work because it's not a black or even a dark brown balmoral. Note that some people on this forum would wear something like the Byron with jeans (and some would cringe at the thought).
post #23 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by DocHolliday
The point is that the jacket is missing, not where it is missing. The look doesn't work any better at a restaurant than at a business-casual office.



First I'd have to play you a little Chopin.

I'll be your Huckleberry
(Sorry couldn't resist)

Anyway for bussiness casual something like the Mora would be able to go from suit to casual, I think. But, I wear bals without a suit and mirror shine my brown shoes.
post #24 of 33
I think monkstraps and chelsea boots have the largest formality range.
post #25 of 33
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Originally Posted by Jared
I think monkstraps and chelsea boots have the largest formality range.
OH YES! How could I forget chelseas? I love them get the Taunton! In black and brown and you'll be golden.
post #26 of 33
I would advise against wearing black or dark brown oxfords with khakis, however, brown captoe monkstraps or pebble grain captoe derbies can both work with business casual and denim.

For flexibility, Ive recently developed a taste for semi-brogue oxfords with medallions in lighter browns/burgundy.
post #27 of 33
I applaud your choice of AE, but the Park Avenue is not a shoe that works for every situation. How about two pairs of shoes? Maybe the Park Avenue and a brown blucher?

AE is having a great sale at its outlet stores right now and two pairs can be had for the price of one pair at regular price.
post #28 of 33
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone for the awesome and helpful advice!

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Originally Posted by Bradford
jjw -
Another important thing to bear in mind is that, living here in Phoenix, do not pay full-price for Allen Edmond's shoes. Go to Last Chance at Camelback and 20th Street and you can buy AE's for $49.99 a pair.

Thanks for the tip! I ran by there (it's kinda crazy in there ) and found several almost new AE shoes, but none were in my size unfortunately. Do you know how often they get new stuff in? How about any other hidden gems like this store in the Phoenix area (for anything... shoes/clothes/etc)?


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Originally Posted by StevenRocks
AE is having a great sale at its outlet stores right now and two pairs can be had for the price of one pair at regular price.

Is there a way to lookup the location of the outlet stores? I can't seem to find a list on the AE website.
post #29 of 33
There are only two or three. Jeffersonville, OH (betw. Cinti and C-bus on 71) and Burlington, NC are the only ones listed on the AE Store Locator. I thought there was at least one in Wisco, but I don't see one listed.

http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline...Id=40000000001
post #30 of 33
I have a high arch but no problem fitting Euro or English shoes size 44.

Today I tried on a Park Avenue 10.5EEE which fitted but was loose a bit not snug for instance.

Then I tried a 10.5E which would not close at the laces and gapped. Then I tried an 11E and it fitted but still gapping at the laces more than the official 10mm.

What is my true AE size? Any advice?

Alden has E, EE and 3xE.
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