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post #1 of 14
5/26/12 at 1:40pm
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http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2013-audi-s6-vs-2013-bmw-m5-2012-mercedes-benz-e63-amg-comparison-tests

 

any one would do nicely smile.gif

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post #2 of 14
5/26/12 at 3:42pm
Dead end, pal.
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post #3 of 14
5/26/12 at 3:45pm
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Dead end, pal.

 

what does that mean?

pal

 

I get it now, the link says 'dead end pal', lol


Edited by Arthur PE - 5/26/12 at 4:56pm
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post #4 of 14
5/26/12 at 4:38pm
link doesnt work.
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post #5 of 14
5/26/12 at 4:55pm
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hmmmm

 

weird

pulled from their site

I got a pdf of the results, too large to upload

when you go to their site search S6 under reviews it comes up, but bad link

 

wonder if this works

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2013-audi-s6-vs-2013-bmw-m5-2012-mercedes-benz-e63-amg-1.pdf

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post #6 of 14
5/28/12 at 8:24am
Surprising.

I figured the M5 would be walking away with the latest comparos.

Props to Audi.
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post #7 of 14
5/28/12 at 9:33am
how does the Audi manage to pull that kind of low end speed at the same curb weight as the others, while being down on power from the other two by that much? The AWD can't afford it that much of a holeshot can it, must be gearing?
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post #8 of 14
5/28/12 at 12:33pm
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how does the Audi manage to pull that kind of low end speed at the same curb weight as the others, while being down on power from the other two by that much? The AWD can't afford it that much of a holeshot can it, must be gearing?

 

torque, it makes good torque, awd, and good launch control

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post #9 of 14
5/28/12 at 1:42pm
So there are people who still think that C&D provides any real insight on cars?
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post #10 of 14
5/28/12 at 1:59pm
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So there are people who still think that C&D provides any real insight on cars?

 

if we were all as knowledgeable as you the world would be a perfect place

 

it's up to the reader to determine the value of the data, if any

 

they give accurate stats, tested on the same day, same methods, that is worth something if you are a numbers guy (I'm not)

 

so hop off the high horse and join the rest of us peons who are just trying to have some fun and seek some idle distraction

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post #11 of 14
5/29/12 at 2:06am
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torque, it makes good torque, awd, and good launch control

it can't be that, it's down 100 lb-ft on both the BMW and MB, and all 3 cars are V8tt with some form of launch control I'm sure, so the field is fairly level apart from Audi's AWD...
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post #12 of 14
5/29/12 at 3:30am
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torque, it makes good torque, awd, and good launch control

it can't be that, it's down 100 lb-ft on both the BMW and MB, and all 3 cars are V8tt with some form of launch control I'm sure, so the field is fairly level apart from Audi's AWD...

For acceleration in dry, level conditions, the ideal back-to-front torque ratio is close to 100:0, so I doubt AWD is the reason for the Audi's acceleration numbers.
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post #13 of 14
5/29/12 at 6:57pm
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the S6 makes good torque over a wide band (not better, but a lot, and can use it better initially), not as much as the other 2, but only so much can be put down, it is traction limited, hence traction control

with awd you can put more torque down, 4 vs 2 wheel, as in Veyron, GT-r, etc.

so it makes good torque, can put more of it down, and has a launch control that can control it well, by 30 mph is 0.6 sec ahead of the AMG

 

from reading some stuff from TorSen, if the car is balanced correctly, 30:70 is best to launch

and since the S6 is nose heavy, the front may get more power than 30% since it will have more traction due to weight

 

the 1/4 bears this out, within a few tenths in ET, but big difference in speed

so the Audi gets a much better launch

at 30 S6 1.2 vs 1.6 for the M5 and 1.8 for the AMG, it's 1/2 sec ahead

by 60 they are even

by 100 they've pulled a second on the S6

 

it all launch and awd, but after hooked up, that advantage goes away

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post #14 of 14
5/29/12 at 7:02pm
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For acceleration in dry, level conditions, the ideal back-to-front torque ratio is close to 100:0, so I doubt AWD is the reason for the Audi's acceleration numbers.

 

it is most of it

it has good torque, but without awd it couldn't apply it all

it has good launch control, but without awd it would not be able to apply as much torque

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