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post #16 of 38
You don't need a college degree to be successful. Just be able to identify opportunities to make money, that is life, to see who can pull of the biggest con job.

It seems you have some entrepreneurial spirit by living off ebay, so why not look for opportunities that can allow you to expand on that?
post #17 of 38
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Originally Posted by sns23 View Post

Just because you work for a company does not mean you "sold your soul." Then again, i'm 24 make 6 figures and drive a new corvette. Yeah, selling out is worth it.
Get off your high horse for a second there, pal. Congrats on reaching the 6 figure range at an early age, but no need to sound cocky because there will always be people who are younger and more successful than you.
post #18 of 38
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Get off your high horse for a second there, pal. Congrats on reaching the 6 figure range at an early age, but no need to sound cocky because there will always be people who are younger and more successful than you.

Haha I can't tell if he was being serious or not but I'm gonna have to go with wj4 on this one, and all his fit pics at work.
post #19 of 38
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Being at the age of 21 right now, working off Ebay and living a decent life. The best part of my life is that I have a free schedule..Obviously sometimes I need to go out and restock but for the most part..very decent. Well lately I have been seeing friends who graduated with me and noticing there facebook updates of "Moving to Washington in the morning, starting work on monday!" Or "House shopping, car shopping...What a busy life!"  These things never...got to me. But lately I have been affected emotionally by it. I don't wanna be a cog in the machine, or just another expendable. I know in american life, you are taught to get educated, get a job and live that happy family life with the white picket fence and the new mercedes from the biiiig raise. Well that just isn't what I want. I don't wanna kiss someone's boot as they scuff mine. I want equality as a human being.

Not every job is like this.

Posterchild for Gen Y and the Occupy movement.

Guess what, OP? Get over yourself. Unless you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth a person has to put in their dues. That simple.
post #20 of 38
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Originally Posted by wj4 View Post

Get off your high horse for a second there, pal. Congrats on reaching the 6 figure range at an early age, but no need to sound cocky because there will always be people who are younger and more successful than you.

What's your point? I'm perfectly content with the trajectory of my life. I don't care if there is some 18 year old internet multi-millionaire out there in the world.
post #21 of 38
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Originally Posted by Verniza View Post

You don't need a college degree to be successful. Just be able to identify opportunities to make money, that is life, to see who can pull of the biggest con job.

It seems you have some entrepreneurial spirit by living off ebay, so why not look for opportunities that can allow you to expand on that?

Some people actually earn money through adding value vs. "con jobs." Yeah, I know, that's not an idea that's popular at the moment.
post #22 of 38
Sup beck, I'll pm you later but I've got a couple of friends in your position that often talk to me about things like this. I can't say that I can solve anything, but I'd like to think I've given my friends a couple of ideas, and all of them don't necessarily require you taking the conventional office route.

Immediately upon reading your posts for instance, I wondered why you aren't looking into Coding, programming and comp sci independently? You could pick up Python, both Cs and get to objective programming pretty quick with your dedication and extra time. More importantly, this is a lot more in line with your freestyle type of working inclinations than a conventional position, and the opportunities for self study are there. In order to maximize your potential, you could look into uni (unless you lateral into a start up or just go through entrepeneurial route) after maybe finishing your GEs and electives at a local CC. I know a good amount of people who dedicated their time to a CC, come to a school like mine and graduated doing really well for themselves in ways they couldn't imagine.

You'll also be more likely to get aid (merit based if you can slay CC while studying your comp sci on your own), and once you're taking classes your self study will put you ahead of the curve in most intro to mid level programming courses (I study nothing with comp sci but did a bit of coding in my spare time and even that was enough to help me understand difficult concepts in a coding class that many engineers or CS majors had not, imagine your potential with the time you have !)

Just a first thought or so. Would help cover all that seems to be ailing you in terms of staying busy, working towards something, maintaining independence and developing a technical skillset that's applicable towards your future. Plus while it's boring as all hell in the beginning, later on coding and programming can be really entertaining for "creative" minds (I'm not that artistically inclined,but I could see the appeal)
post #23 of 38
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It also sounds like you're surrounded by a lot of negative people. College is VERY affordable if you go to a public school, instate and live at home (not to mention scholarships you get if you have very good grades). Yes, you'll likely graduate with loans but it will be offset by your increased earning potential (just don't go to school to study roman literature) If you're hard working and focused you can even pay off a lot of school by working during the school year and/or summers. Since you're over 21 the living in school for the atmosphere is not as important so living at home or off campus are definitely cheaper options.
Also look into community colleges. They're cheaper than state schools and some or many of them are just as good.
College isn't the only thing too. If you like computer science (then it's important) but you can look into obtaining computer certifications to pursue some gigs that don't necessarily require college degrees. There are also vocational schools for other interests.
These are all options, but you have to figure out what you want or your interests before you can decide on which option to pursue.
Also, why is your family so adamant that you not go to school? Maybe they say so because they see/feel you have no direction and think it's not worth the expense for someone with no drive? If not, why else? Some people just don't think beyond their immediate sorroundings so you have to be able to filter out advice that you feel isn't helpful to you. Be willing and prepared to pursue your goals with a lot of support.

Don't do this. Almost every cert is worthless. If you want to make it in CS and become a programmer, either establish yourself by learning programming and contributing seriously to a project (or start your own!) or nail all your classes and get internships at every step -- even if you think you're grossly underqualified as a freshman or sophomore. Things like that will get employers to notice you. However, be prepared to make a strong case for yourself - companies are starting outsourcing coding overseas. Get a minor in business or something else so you see how you as a programmer fit in with the business as a whole.
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Sup beck, I'll pm you later but I've got a couple of friends in your position that often talk to me about things like this. I can't say that I can solve anything, but I'd like to think I've given my friends a couple of ideas, and all of them don't necessarily require you taking the conventional office route.
Immediately upon reading your posts for instance, I wondered why you aren't looking into Coding, programming and comp sci independently? You could pick up Python, both Cs and get to objective programming pretty quick with your dedication and extra time. More importantly, this is a lot more in line with your freestyle type of working inclinations than a conventional position, and the opportunities for self study are there. In order to maximize your potential, you could look into uni (unless you lateral into a start up or just go through entrepeneurial route) after maybe finishing your GEs and electives at a local CC. I know a good amount of people who dedicated their time to a CC, come to a school like mine and graduated doing really well for themselves in ways they couldn't imagine.
You'll also be more likely to get aid (merit based if you can slay CC while studying your comp sci on your own), and once you're taking classes your self study will put you ahead of the curve in most intro to mid level programming courses (I study nothing with comp sci but did a bit of coding in my spare time and even that was enough to help me understand difficult concepts in a coding class that many engineers or CS majors had not, imagine your potential with the time you have !)
Just a first thought or so. Would help cover all that seems to be ailing you in terms of staying busy, working towards something, maintaining independence and developing a technical skillset that's applicable towards your future. Plus while it's boring as all hell in the beginning, later on coding and programming can be really entertaining for "creative" minds (I'm not that artistically inclined,but I could see the appeal.)
I have tried to do independent coding and programming before, never really head over heels, more of just picking at it. I think with the way I am I would max my potential best if I was a freestyle worker and did projects without an office..Only problem is that to become that and to learn that, I really believe that I need structured education. I learn best when I am taught it with a book+teacher , I have tried online studies to just free-studying. I never am able to stay on tract and complete it all in sections. I feel like that is what I am wanting to do, I just need some positive guidance in my life and to exceed my peers I need to branch out. I believe that if I just apply myself and not look back I would be successful. I should stop listening to the nay sayers and take the plunge. I am sure it won't kill me.. I am just afraid of the costs+the "will I have a job after this", I have been reading alot lately of bachelor degree students coming out top of their class and working at Caribou Coffee for $8.50 to pay off the loan sharks. I wish it wasn't as much as a gamble as it is, but what's worth trying for if you never try? I have done some Generals and am already in the system it's just, taking the plunge which is giving me cold feet. My parents never were that supportive of higher-education. I don't know why, I just want a better life then what I had, for my children. Thank you for the response
-Beck
post #25 of 38
I see Occupy Wall Street in your future.
post #26 of 38
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Originally Posted by Beck View Post

... I don't wanna be a cog in the machine, or just another expendable. I know in american life, you are taught to get educated, get a job and live that happy family life with the white picket fence and the new mercedes from the biiiig raise. Well that just isn't what I want. I don't wanna kiss someone's boot as they scuff mine. I want equality as a human being.

Naivete. You can have respect for your neighbor; however, people are not hardwired to seek "equality." And besides, equality undoubtedly carries a different meaning across various parts of the world.
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I know in american life, you are taught to get educated, get a job and live that happy family life with the white picket fence and the new mercedes from the biiiig raise. Well that just isn't what I want.

As you get older, the more likely you will find contentment in a simple life. I thought I always wanted to be rich. Drive a Lexus, buy Saville Row suits, own a vacation home, etc. After passing the age of thirty, I decided that becoming a 1%er is likely not in my future. However, I make a decent wage, have a nice girlfriend, and can save a few bucks for my retirement.
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I would love to get incite insight on your decision, your life and your dreams.

Another reason to get "edjumacated".
Edited by norcaltransplant - 5/23/12 at 8:21pm
post #27 of 38
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Some people actually earn money through adding value vs. "con jobs." Yeah, I know, that's not an idea that's popular at the moment.

Adding value is so passe, too much work and under appreciated.

I'd stick to being a "con man" brings in the dough and we all know the $$ is all that matters rather than some measly societal value that people will take for granted.
post #28 of 38
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Originally Posted by sns23 View Post

What's your point? I'm perfectly content with the trajectory of my life. I don't care if there is some 18 year old internet multi-millionaire out there in the world.
My point: Don't come in with a cocky attitude when the OP is asking for opinions in determining the best direction for his life.
post #29 of 38
Strong humblebrag sns....lol who am I kidding? There was no trace of humility.
post #30 of 38
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What's your point? I'm perfectly content with the trajectory of my life. I don't care if there is some 18 year old internet multi-millionaire out there in the world.

 

 

what do you do to make 6 figures?

education/job

and six figures is a big range $100,000 to $999,999

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