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El delantero sueco Zlatan Ibrahimovic, figura del París Saint Germain francés, no tuvo contemplación y se burló tanto de Lionel Messi como del portugués Cristiano Ronaldo.

El atacante, de 31 años, se mofó de la baja estatura (1,61 metros) del astro rosarino del Barcelona, que a comienzos de semana se quedó con el cuarto Balón de Oro que otorga la FIFA.

"Podrá tener cuatro Balones de Oro, pero yo puedo comprar chocolatines de una máquina sin tener que poner una caja debajo", expresó Ibrahimovic, quien fue compañero de Messi en la entidad catalana, en la temporada 2009-2010.

Pero el sueco castigó peor a Cristiano Ronaldo, la figura del Real Madrid, de quien dijo: "Es un privilegiado, siempre ve en primera fila cómo premian a (Lionel) Messi".

Ibrahimovic consideró que el portugués ni siquiera merecía "estar entre los tres finalistas" en la votación que decidió al mejor jugador del mundo durante la temporada 2012.

 

"Hay, por lo menos, diez jugadores mejores que Cristiano Ronaldo", sostuvo el sueco, quien está realizando una muy buena campaña con el PSG, con el que marcó 18 conquistas en 16 partidos en lo que va del certamen.

 

 

In a nutshell: Zlatan makes fun of Lio for being short, saying: "He may have 4 Ballons d´Or, but I can buy chocolates from a vending machine without having to put a box below me"  rotflmao.gif

And then about Cristiano: "He´s privileged, he´s always in the front row watching messi getting awards"  lol8[1].gif

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Originally Posted by El Argentino View Post

I can understand it from Mou's perspective; no one is bigger than the team. Although that should apply to the manager as well...

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot of racialism goings on here. Spanish have a tendency to view the Portuguese as inferior and they dont like JM being the smartest guy in the room, and he is. And CR being their best player too.

I wouldn't be surprised if Casillas and Ramos undermine him heavily. While Casillas comes across as a diplomat in the media, he very well may be a political dickhead in the dressing room. We already know Ramos is.

And GTFO with the 'madrid way' bullshit. This isn't 1962.

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Originally Posted by El Argentino View Post

Called it 3.5 years ago: Bale being linked to move to Madrid this summer.

I got shit for this last year but I stand by my belief Bale is the #3 player in the world.


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Originally Posted by xudisco07 View Post

I saw this on twitter and it really summed it up - Chelsea win the CL. Juve go a season unbeaten. Bayern reach CL final for second time in 3 years. Dortmund win double. FIFA XI is all La Liga.

Tragic. Really tragic.

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Originally Posted by willrh1 View Post

The fact that Pep was a finalist for coach of the year just shows how biased and name based the awards are.

Look, Del Bosque won a trophy but this is bullshit. Nobody looks at context. Jurgen Klopp at Dortmund was the standout manager last season by MILES. While JM is the best manager in the world on aggregate, Klopp is definitely #2 and delivered more than JM did.


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Regarding the FIFA XI.... that's a joke

IKER CASILLAS, DANI ALVES, MARCELO, GERARD PIQUÉ, SERGIO RAMOS, ANDRÉS INIESTA, XABI ALONSO, XAVI HERNANDEZ, CRISTIANO RONALDO, RADAMEL FALCAO, LIONEL MESSI

Alves? Lahm is better.

Pique? No fucking way he gets over on Kompany. Shit, even Vidic is better healthy. Kompany is the best defender in the world by a mile.

Ramos? Worst pick of the lot. Get the fuck out. Even Pepe is better. And this Thiago Silva kid at PSG can play.

Alonso? Come on, get real. Iniesta, eh maybe, but he's not some world beater. Daniel Di Rossi, Yaya Toure, Gotze and Pirlo and a few others over these 2.

Bale deserves honorable mention, but CR and LM are ahead of him.
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Iniesta not a world beater? All the sensible things you said in that post just lost all their credibility.
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I can accurately cite a "Madrid Way" as long as the entire world talks about the "Barcelona Way"

C'mon man.
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Originally Posted by Jabonator View Post

Iniesta not a world beater? All the sensible things you said in that post just lost all their credibility.

Everyone rates him, but I don't to the level others do. He reminds me of guys in the NBA that are great within a system and horrible outside it. His Barca and intl games all play within that endlessly boring tikki takki style. I'd be surprised if he'd be viewed the same way outside of it. He'll retire there so we'll never know. Anyway, this aside, wouldn't you take the other guys I named over him?


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Originally Posted by El Argentino View Post

I can accurately cite a "Madrid Way" as long as the entire world talks about the "Barcelona Way"

C'mon man.

Lets not forget the Arsenal Way
Edited by idfnl - 1/11/13 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Everyone rates him, but I don't to the level others do. He reminds me of guys in the NBA that are great within a system and horrible outside it. His Barca and intl games all play within that endlessly boring tikki takki style. I'd be surprised if he'd be viewed the same way outside of it. He'll retire there so we'll never know. Anyway, this aside, wouldn't you take the other guys I named over him?

Well, ok - if we wanted to break it down here we go;

FIFPRO XI (vs. El Arg's XI for 2011-12) Going to try to strike a proper balance between form for the year (what the XI team is looking at) and overall class (Ex - Alves makes his position on overall class demonstrated throughout his career, but surely not on form for last year - Leaning too far one way we get players like Javier Zanetti or Maicon, too far the other we get players like Debuchy. I'm looking for that middle ground)

IKER CASILLAS - Casillas.
DANI ALVES - Lahm. You called it idfnl - Semi-final CL run, quarterfinal Euro run, Bayern sitting pretty in Bundesliga.
MARCELO - Marcelo. Agree here. Ashley Cole may also be a possibility here if not for a severe drop-off in play over the last year. Coentrão's year sucked, and who else really compares beyond that? Jordi Alba, maybe. In elite teams you have Andre Santos? Evra? Glichy? Alaba? Mesbah? Nagatomo? LB seems to be the world's most sparse position.
GERARD PIQUÉ - Would agree with Piqué here in general as one of the world's elite CBs (and was my first instinct), but I'd agree that Kompany had a more dominant single season.
SERGIO RAMOS - Appropriate. Semi-final CL, Euro win. Came into his own as a CB transferring over from RB. Vidic or Ferdinand didn't play enough to merit this spot.

ANDRÉS INIESTA - No question. Heartbeat of Barça. Played great through club and international year.
XABI ALONSO - No question. Heartbeat of Madrid. Played great through club and international year.
XAVI HERNANDEZ - If anything, this is my question here. Played a level down from his standard (due to both age and niggling injuries throughout the year). Here is where I would vote in Pirlo based on his dominant Euro showing and undefeated Juventus season. I believe rep overall gave Xavi the vote here.

CRISTIANO RONALDO - Undisputed.
RADAMEL FALCAO - Undisputed. More of a newcomer to the "world-beater" scene, but absolutely dominant in everything he did. Truly merits the spot for the year.
LIONEL MESSI - Undisputed.

Meh. There we go.

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Lets not forget the Arsenal Way

Assuredly.

EDIT: Sahin dropped by Liverpool, Madrid loan him immediately back to Borussia Dortumund long-term.
Edited by El Argentino - 1/11/13 at 10:30am
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Good for Sahin. He's a player I love to watch (even though he plays for Dortmund). He's a quality footballer, but his career went pear-shaped after leaving Germany. Hopefully he'll be able to turn it back around, though hopefully not against Schalke.
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Everyone rates him, but I don't to the level others do. He reminds me of guys in the NBA that are great within a system and horrible outside it. His Barca and intl games all play within that endlessly boring tikki takki style. I'd be surprised if he'd be viewed the same way outside of it. He'll retire there so we'll never know. Anyway, this aside, wouldn't you take the other guys I named over him?
Lets not forget the Arsenal Way

Iniesta is the 3rd best player in the world. And it's not like he had a bad year either. Absolute blasphemy to leave him out.

To me the XI would look like this.

Cech - Close call between a couple keepers, but winning the UCL tips it to him.
Lahm - Alves is in a bit of a dip, and I no longer think he's the best in the world. Hopefully he can make a comeback though. Lahm's always solid.
Ivanovic - Had a great year at Chelsea, playing CB/RB. Breakthrough year.
Kompany - One of the best centerbacks out there.
Alba - Has become one of the best LBs in the world, and had a great Euro.
Yaya Toure - One of the greatest midfielders in the world, and perhaps the most important player in Manchester City.
Iniesta - As I said, 3rd best player in the world, and had a great year on a personal level in Barca, and was the best player in Euro.
Pirlo - Lead Juventus to an unbeaten league title and had a great Euro.
Ronaldo - Obvious.
Messi - Obvious.
Falcao - RvP comes close, but to me Falcao edges it.
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I like your choices Jab - and can understand them... wink.gif

Looks like Snjeider is being offloaded to Galatasaray too.
Edited by El Argentino - 1/11/13 at 12:49pm
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Torres should replace Messi ... I mean come on, scoring is one thing but FA Cup, CL, and Euros bigstar[1].gif
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Originally Posted by the shah View Post

Torres should replace Messi ... I mean come on, scoring is one thing but FA Cup, CL, and Euros bigstar[1].gif

Messi can't touch Torres. Torres' ability to never lose the ball in the box, dribble past defenders, and pin-point shot accuracy puts him league ahead of Messi. Has Messi ever won the Euro golden boot? NOPE.....crackup[1].gif

I agree with Jab's team except I would take Pirlo and put in Mata. It has nothing to do with results, more because I hate Juv and Mata had a fantastic season last year.
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Originally Posted by Jabonator View Post

Iniesta is the 3rd best player in the world. And it's not like he had a bad year either. Absolute blasphemy to leave him out.

To me the XI would look like this.

Cech - Close call between a couple keepers, but winning the UCL tips it to him.
Lahm - Alves is in a bit of a dip, and I no longer think he's the best in the world. Hopefully he can make a comeback though. Lahm's always solid.
Ivanovic - Had a great year at Chelsea, playing CB/RB. Breakthrough year.
Kompany - One of the best centerbacks out there.
Alba - Has become one of the best LBs in the world, and had a great Euro.
Yaya Toure - One of the greatest midfielders in the world, and perhaps the most important player in Manchester City.
Iniesta - As I said, 3rd best player in the world, and had a great year on a personal level in Barca, and was the best player in Euro.
Pirlo - Lead Juventus to an unbeaten league title and had a great Euro.
Ronaldo - Obvious.
Messi - Obvious.
Falcao - RvP comes close, but to me Falcao edges it.

Thiago Silva is also a great defender...

Ivanovic gave 2 goals on awful mistakes last week...

He is a good defender not a top one..
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That wasn't last year, though. wink.gif I'm not saying Ivanovic is one of the greatest defenders, but he had a great year.
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Originally Posted by Jabonator View Post

That wasn't last year, though. wink.gif I'm not saying Ivanovic is one of the greatest defenders, but he had a great year.

I did watch him play a few times and he is a very solid defender...

Ramos is a great defender...

Pace ,vision,skills.

Ibra instead of Falcao...

He is great.
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I did watch him play a few times and he is a very solid defender...

Ramos is a great defender...

Pace ,vision,skills.

Ibra instead of Falcao...

He is great.
Ibra doesn't deserve to be in there in Falcao's place. He's a great player no doubt, at the moment better than Falcao, but the Columbian had an incredible year (Ibra's was only very good).
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