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post #2956 of 4307
Evans lunged in and very clearly makes significant enough contact on Torres's foot that could send a lot of players down to the ground. Not even close to a yellow.
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Evans lunged in and very clearly makes significant enough contact on Torres's foot that could send a lot of players down to the ground. Not even close to a yellow.

No way - that's home cooking. Evans barely makes contact. He does make contact, but barely, and Torres leaps to the ground after the contact and not because of the contact. Without any contact it is a total and complete dive. With the contact, you probably have to say no call should have been made and the card should have stayed in his pocket. All in, better to err on the side of letting him stay on the pitch.
post #2958 of 4307
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I agree he made a meal of it, but a red card? The ref was way too trigger happy, should've just said "listen mate, I see anything else from you and your off, that was a very obvious piece of showmanship right there".

Ashley Young has the disease as well, he looked like he been shot by a tank when he went down.

Well we will have to agree to disagree. Ivanovic knew exactly what he was doing, it was deliberate and it was done to prevent a 1 v 1 situation with the keeper. I have to agree with the Fox Crew, whther accidental or deliberate Ivanovic goes off. I think it was deliberate, but one's intent is irrelevant.
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Well we will have to agree to disagree. Ivanovic knew exactly what he was doing, it was deliberate and it was done to prevent a 1 v 1 situation with the keeper. I have to agree with the Fox Crew, whther accidental or deliberate Ivanovic goes off. I think it was deliberate, but one's intent is irrelevant.

 

If it would've happened with any other player except young I would agree 100% 

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Okay full disclosure. If there was a match where I wish both teams could lose it would be any one between Chelsea and Man U.

Also - I hate Fernando Torres for a multitude of reasons.

He dove, it is a disgrace and we need to see more yellow and red cards for that if we ever hope to stamp it out.

Ivanovic - deliberate?? If so that is the most brilliant foul disguised as non contact in the history of the game. Pretty sure Burton was just trying to stir the pot with that one. Young dove - clear as day, he should have seen red too.

Does the EPL not have video review of these situations after the fact and dole out suspensions? They do in a number of other leagues. Not that it happens often enough
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Originally Posted by Mark Anthony View Post

Young dove - clear as day, he should have seen red too.

 

He has a record for most penalties won.. 

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He has a record for most penalties won.. 

He is quick,small and very easy to barge...

Great for penalty..
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Lets not forget that Hazard has won his fair share this year.  I cant agree that Young dove, he was clipped from behind.  Sure he may have been anticipating contact but the fact is Ivanovic made contact from behind by cutting across his back legs.  It was a clear red all the way because of where it took place and the clear goal scoring opportunity was hindered.  The Torres card could have really went either way but you have to remember he was lucky to not be sent off for a high boot.  Would it have been unfair, yes, but it has been given time and time again.  Also Evans did make contact but very slight but Torres other foot was planted and he has a track record of diving.  Was there to many fouls and cards given, yes but Chelsea fanbois saying they were cheated need to realize we had a clear penalty not given and Torres and Ivanovic could have been sent off in the first half for rash challenges.

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In both scenarios I can see how the referee without benefit of replay and the speed of play can see contact or no contact. My comment is that I watched the replay of Young/Ivanovic many times and cannot see any contact whatsoever - and I am trying my hardest to see it. Likewise I believe Evans missed Torres completely, by luck I am sure as his lunge was mistimed and often bad things come of mistimed tackles.

Just saying in both cases the players made meals of it and both deserved Yellow for diving imo. I think I misspoke earlier indicating Young deserved a straight red.
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Originally Posted by Mark Anthony View Post

Okay full disclosure. If there was a match where I wish both teams could lose it would be any one between Chelsea and Man U.
Also - I hate Fernando Torres for a multitude of reasons.
He dove, it is a disgrace and we need to see more yellow and red cards for that if we ever hope to stamp it out.
Ivanovic - deliberate?? If so that is the most brilliant foul disguised as non contact in the history of the game. Pretty sure Burton was just trying to stir the pot with that one. Young dove - clear as day, he should have seen red too.
Does the EPL not have video review of these situations after the fact and dole out suspensions? They do in a number of other leagues. Not that it happens often enough

No. I believe Ivanovic's foul (with contact if you watch the replay) is more disgusting than the dive. I don't know if Torres dove--I don't know what he was thinking and Evans did make slight contact. I do know that RVP had threaded the needle and Young was away and he would have been 1 v 1 with the keeper but for Ivanovic. When it comes to violations, I don't pretend to know what player's are thinking. I think the Torres situation could go either way, but I do believe the benefit of the doubt should have gone to Torres--and everyone knows I am United supporter.
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In both scenarios I can see how the referee without benefit of replay and the speed of play can see contact or no contact. My comment is that I watched the replay of Young/Ivanovic many times and cannot see any contact whatsoever - and I am trying my hardest to see it. Likewise I believe Evans missed Torres completely, by luck I am sure as his lunge was mistimed and often bad things come of mistimed tackles.
Just saying in both cases the players made meals of it and both deserved Yellow for diving imo. I think I misspoke earlier indicating Young deserved a straight red.

There was contact in both cases. I think you could argue that Torres went down regardless of the contact, but, once there is contact, I find it difficult to accuse even el diver of diving.
post #2967 of 4307

There was not one penalty that Hazard was awarded in which there was any mention he dived.

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Lets not forget that Hazard has won his fair share this year.

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There was not one penalty that Hazard was awarded in which there was any mention he dived.

I don't believe Hazard is a diver - he appears to play quite tough for his size. Ashley Young does not have a reputation as a diver. He did have two bad games last year and was spoken to by SAF and benched. (Not many other coaches even think about discussing that with their players.) In the end, a player does not have to fight to stand up. There is a difference between going down after the foul and diving. When you are playing against a guy like Luiz, you have to realize players are going to go down easier. Luiz is a thug and should be sent off in almost every single game he plays--that doesn't happen. 10 years ago Luiz would not be considered a top player anywhere. The good news is, he costs Chelsea as many goals as fouls.

Ivanovic is another matter. It was a good foul on his part. It was a close game, Ashley Young is a good goal scorer and Ivanovic was beat dead to rights. I would have given that foul if I were him. That said, the ref can't let it go or it becomes cheating. He has to make the player pay for it. I had no problem when Jonny Evans was sent off last year against City and no one should have a problem with this one. The Torres send off is different, but remember, he had a very stupid foul that put him in trouble in the first place--he was on a yellow. That foul - boot to the chest (picture one page back) --could have been a straight red.
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There was not one penalty that Hazard was awarded in which there was any mention he dived.

Nor did I say he dived.  I was commenting on the comment about Young getting penalties bc hes quick and small

post #2970 of 4307
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Nor did I say he dived.  I was commenting on the comment about Young getting penalties bc hes quick and small

^^ Agree.
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