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Was pretty awesome watching Balo rub it in Weidenfeller's face after the PK.
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Was pretty awesome watching Balo rub it in Weidenfeller's face after the PK.

So upset about that... I hate Man City.

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Ronaldo brace over like 3 minutes. Gotta love how a game can change on a dime.
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Both keepers excelled in the City-Dortmund match. That was a very harsh handball against Dortmund. For Aguero to turn and drill it straight into the guy's bicep was quite improbable. The match had some really entertaining stretches especially the last 20-25 minutes of the first half leading into the first 25 of the second.
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So upset about that... I hate Man City.

Why? I agree with ac21686, Weidenfeller had that coming to him by taunting Balo before the kick. If you taunt and can't back it up with the stop...
Edited by Mark Anthony - 10/3/12 at 8:31pm
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So upset about that... I hate Man City.

Why? I agree with ac21686, Weidenfeller had that coming to him by taunting Balo before the kick. If you taunt and can't back it up with the stop...

this was hilarious, Balo scored so nonchalantly then made sure to let it be known, he does it like a bawss cool.gif

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this was hilarious, Balo scored so nonchalantly then made sure to let it be known, he does it like a bawss cool.gif

I love Balo..

He is the Boris Johnson of football..
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I watched Porto vs PSG last night. I thought Porto looked very good and the win was well deserved. I had hoped Zlatan would have scored on one of his chances but, in all fairness, that game belonged to Porto!
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I was being facetious, NYR - thanks for affirming that. Didn't think anyone would take that seriously. Especially with the use of "teh" and other obviously misspelled words so as to suggest jest...
I normally feel well-versed in at least understanding the politics behind the basics of footballing rivalries. Italy has flown under my radar because of my lack of knowledge of "the culture." Anyone want to break this clip down for me as to why Napoli in general feels so wronged by the Italian government, what that stems from, history of the region and unification, etc?
It's an impressive clip though - I think I'd be the last one to say they should be chastised, fined or whatever, inasmuch as footballing grounds have long been the only place where extreme nationalistic feelings have been allowed w/o violent suppression (ie throughout Europe in the 20s, 30s, 40s, and all throughout the eastern bloc during the Cold War, let alone South America, Spain, etc. where I have more experience).... IMO the minute they lose their right to believe as they do is when it starts infringing the rights of others. As historically messy as the one-arm salute may be now, you can stand there and look fascist all you want; the moment you in some way physically harm another b/c of your beliefs is where the line is drawn and all bets are off.
(Preparing for blowback)
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It should be noted that in general I don't support disrespect of national anthems, etc. I think that the Catalán dispute in Spain is generally blown out of proportion. I dislike when people disrespect the national anthem in various US sports. But while not agreeing with their views, claims to separatism, whatever - I think a person has every right to express their opinion, however charged or wrong it may be.
Eager for CL today. Hoping its the standard walk-in-the-park for Madrid today.

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El Argentino - your question re: history of southern grievances
That is a big topic but a real short answer is it is not just Naples but the entire south of Italy in general. To start when the country unified, the protectionist measures by southern monarchies was dismantled which hurt Neopolitan industries the most. Once that shifted to northern cities like Torino & Milano the new centralized government re adopted protectionist measures ensuring the south could not catch up again as it locked down growth to the newly established northern industries.
That and via mainstream media it appeared that a well orchestrated demonizing of southerners as lazy took hold over the decades. The term "terroni" being cast towards southerners. The media being controlled by northerners for the most part.
Plus centralized state raised taxes which was easier to absorb where the economy was stronger (the north) and it spiraled from there.
Pre unification the south was not quite as well off as some would lead you to believe but it was sustainable and nothing like the disaster that unfolded in the 50s and 60s. You will see that is the time of the biggest migration to American, Canada and elsewhere. Which is why you see North American Italians are so disproportionately from the south.
Hope I did that justice.

Mark Anthony, very well surmised. The only thing I'd disagree with is the bolded part.

The Two Sicilies had the third largest economy in Europe pre-unification, only behind England and France, and in general the people were happy. Napoli was a center where art, business and learning thrived under Bourbon rule. The price of food and the taxes were some of the lowest in Europe, and while all was not perfect, it would have been a different place today had the government been able to evolve like most European monarchies. Of all the "Italian" states in 1860, he Two Sicilies had 9 times more gold in reserve than the next wealthiest state, the Papal State. The Piedmontese, (whom Garibaldi fought for) was laden with debt to England. When they took over, the coffers of the government as well as personal properties were basically looted to pay their debt, and build the northern industries up to make them sustainable and profitable, while the South was left to rot. My family were one of the many who had lands stolen from them and given to corrupted collaborators who helped Garibaldi, and later the Piedmontese, take full control of the South. They stayed on to fight the Piedmontese for a few years, but as it became fruitless, we left for America, one of the first Southern exiles to arrive in NY in the late 1870s. Southerners were then used to fill the ranks of the military, and through military campaigns in Africa and Albania as well as the continued campaign in the South where a brainwashing of the youth in school began and Italian nationalism was taught, focusing on the cultural elements and "successes" of the North. Today, many Southerners do not even know the true history, and if you ask some of the old timers here in the States, they'll tell you of their distaste for "Italia".

Fast forward to today and the mass migration of Southerners all over the world, and you'll see us everywhere. You'll also see, if you head north, that most of the people "working" in these big cities are Southern "exiles", yet the myth of the "lazy" Southerner is still propagated by mainstream Italian media. The "celebrations" of the 150 year anniversary of unification has again brought the subject of what was before to light, and one author in particular has begun a strong fight to rewrite Southern history and show southerners what the truth is and why their plight is what it is today. I personally hope for a separate and independent Southern State one day, as I feel its the only way for Southerners to restore their culture, way of life, and pride completely. i also feel the people who are in the best position to do this are not in Italy, and many do not even speak Italian, which just makes the plight more challenging. Its in the hands of Southern Italian emigre who have amassed fortunes elsewhere, to rediscover their roots, and support a move for an independent South, which is why I was so disappointed that the English translation of the single most important work of Southern Literature was so poor, Terroni, by Pino Aprile.

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And oh, Balotelli was pure class yesterday, but City certainly did not deserve a point...but I'll take it.
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I watched Porto vs PSG last night. I thought Porto looked very good and the win was well deserved. I had hoped Zlatan would have scored on one of his chances but, in all fairness, that game belonged to Porto!

 

Well said. Paris defense got a tad nonchalant on the Porto goal but tbh they were due a goal by that point. Still a little mad at Zlatan for making that incomprehensible choice to flick the ball when he was alone for days in the box, but I guess you gotta take the good and the bad when it comes to geniuses...

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I was under the impression Italy was unified in 1861.The later 60's the Italians were busy fighting with the Austrian's and not in 1871 was Rome declared the Capitol of a Unified Italy.
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Well said. Paris defense got a tad nonchalant on the Porto goal but tbh they were due a goal by that point. Still a little mad at Zlatan for making that incomprehensible choice to flick the ball when he was alone for days in the box, but I guess you gotta take the good and the bad when it comes to geniuses...

The Swedish expert commentator who knows the man said that Zlatan probably thought that he was offside when he did that half-hearted flick (which was damned close anyway). Worse was in my opinion the missed header from close distance, one that Zlatan will nail 9 times out of 10. This was 10.
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I was under the impression Italy was unified in 1861.The later 60's the Italians were busy fighting with the Austrian's and not in 1871 was Rome declared the Capitol of a Unified Italy.

Were they better than the Austrians already in the 1860s? I guess Maldini and Del Piero were both young back then.
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In the haste of trying to write a short summary (very dangerous) my statement did not come out as I intended now that I re-read it and NYR is completely correct. I guess in the heat of debate sometimes the picture of prosperity can sometimes be exaggerated to the point of painting the entire north as backward and impoverished which is not correct either.

I would like to think the original intent of unification was good in that it expelled the Austro-Hungarian influence, but maybe that is my Sardinian guilt since we had a lead role in it. But with larger unified states comes centralized control and that never ends well.

Multiple autonomous states that are part of a union for common defence and to facilitate trade etc is fine (like the original intent of the USA). Maybe we can still get there. And of course a unified football team improves our competitiveness.


Sorry all for hijacking this away from football, I will stop now.
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I was under the impression Italy was unified in 1861.The later 60's the Italians were busy fighting with the Austrian's and not in 1871 was Rome declared the Capitol of a Unified Italy.

Fighting in the South continued for well beyond the 1860's, except the history books and Italian gov't will call it brigandage, and not what it really was, a struggle, which continues to this day, for independence.
Edited by NewYorkIslander - 10/5/12 at 2:42am
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