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Does it not just imply the Southampton is a poor side rather than Arsenal being a great one?
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Obviously goes without saying

Everyone at the club is hoping Giroud opens his scoring account today, because Titi and Bergkamp scored their first goals vs the saints. Little do they known Pennent scored a hattrick against them lol just shows how useless such statistics are
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Originally Posted by the shah View Post

Obviously goes without saying
Everyone at the club is hoping Giroud opens his scoring account today, because Titi and Bergkamp scored their first goals vs the saints. Little do they known Pennent scored a hattrick against them lol just shows how useless such statistics are

Giroud needs some confidence back..

He used to be the main man in Montpellier an now he is rightly on the bench...
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Originally Posted by the shah View Post

It will be great if Arsenal fiishes top this year..
post #2481 of 4307
well the've beaten ... soton and pool. not really a list of formidable opponents. anyway they don't even play attractive football now which makes it even worse to watch
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Cross-post from talking stocks.



Real hasn't taken out a loan since 2002. You must be thinking of Barca.  In fact during the transfer season real made money. 

 1 Real Madrid CF 479.5
 2 FC Barcelona 450.7
 3 Manchester United 367
 4 Bayern Munchen 321.4
 5 Arsenal 251.1
 6 Chelsea 249.8
 7 AC Milan 235.1
 8 Inter Milan 211.4
 9 Liverpool 203.3
10 Schalke 04 202.4
 11  Tottenham Hotspur 181
 12  Manchester City 169.6
13 Juventus 153.9

In millions of Euros

Contrary to popular belief, Real Madrid and Barcelona are relatively profitable: Madrid have made total profits of around €200 million in the last five years, including €47 million last season; while Barcelona’s loss was only €12 million. Adjusting for non-cash flow expenses like depreciation and amortisation plus interest produces very impressive EBITDA of €151 million for Madrid and pretty good €66 million for Barcelona. In the same way, Manchester United’s notable ability to generate cash results in excellent EBITDA of €138 million.
So, Madrid’s cash flow over debt ratio comes in at 26%, much better than the others: Manchester United 14%, Arsenal 13% and Barcelona 11%. Simply put, the higher the percentage, the better the club’s ability to pay its debt.

Last season madrid won 76% of matches, won la liga and went farther in the Champions.  ManU won 73% of matches lost the Premier and went out in group stages.  So tell me which team would you bet on financially? 

post #2483 of 4307
there is a connection between those numbers and the fact that fascist extraordinaire Flo-rider Perez has a straw going directly into the Spanish banks and by that I mean he has good connections that loan him cash at 0%
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I don't love florenperez, but the years under calderon were pretty terrible, and slowly turning real into the dutch national team wasn't cool either.

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That first half facepalm.gif

I hope mou opens up a can of whoop ass in the locker room.

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Messi played 35 min had 2 goals
Cesc with 2 assists

CR7 I wearing a contract under his shirt
looks very disinterested in the game
DiMaria is repulsive
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Thread Starter 
Ugh - that was not what needed to happen today. Somewhat ashamed here.

Messi looking as brilliant as ever. Current hope is that such form runs through the next two years and ArgNT profits.

EDIT: Saw this picture and just had to add it. Hopefully someone can make a decent meme somewhere.

Edited by El Argentino - 9/16/12 at 12:48am
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oh fffs! baldy[1].gif
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Thread Starter 
For anyone who caught Being: Liverpool yesterday after the Giants/Bucs game, this is a fairly apt review. While I found it initially entertaining and slick, in retrospect this moreso sums up my feelings.
Given how often it happens in other sports, it's surprising that embedding camera crews inside soccer clubs is still a relatively rare thing. Nearly all American sports have danced this sordid two-step in recent years: "Hard Knocks" shows us the manufactured drama of the NFL preseason. Every big boxing match comes with a pre-taped hype machine in which the two fighters reiterate that yes, they're going to beat the other guy in-between dramatized sessions at the speed bag.

And yet, soccer has always had a forcefield around its teams' most inward moments. Whenever the lens has broached upon such hallowed ground, the results have been shuddering and hilarious: to wit, John Sitton's epic and profane halftime rant (Google it) with his Leyton Orient side 3-0 down to Brentford.

This is because what normally links clubs willing to provide such access is a lack of anything to lose. Manchester City's revelatory 1981 doc showed a club "in crisis," while Barcelona's "The Inside Story" chronicled lawyer/politician Joan Laporta's cavalier takeover effort of a club, mired in rising debts, that he soon set on the road to greatness. It can't get much worse, so why not let the cameras in?

Conversely, there's a mystique around great clubs, players and managers that is enhanced by keeping critics and/or observers at arm's length. So, in John Henry's infinite wisdom, comes "Being: Liverpool," a six-part documentary series that will serve the Reds in myriad ways. Namely, an obvious publicity boost and a chance for Henry and FSG to tell their (heavily edited) side of the story.

Let's get to the show.

0:00 -- Straight into the action. We see Brendan Rodgers surrounded by his players before the West Brom game. Cut to a stirring managerial monologue. Values. Personal ethics. Determination. Quick cut to the title sequence; we'll overlook that the Reds lost that game 3-0 to open the season.

0:01 -- Quick recap of the club. History, accomplishments and immense pride. Oh, the trophies they won. And we get a trip to the pub! Lifelong Liverpool fan Clive Owen is introduced as narrator; his solemn, steady speech pattern is a natural fit. The breezy reiteration of the failure, sadness and depression of the second Kenny Dalglish era has me wishing I was at the iconic Storrsdale right now.

0:05 -- Our first glimpse of the LFC braintrust, owner John Henry and chairman Tom Werner. The editing is sharp in order to make clear their reasons for firing Dalglish. Buzz words. A need to move in a different direction. Henry doubles down, noting that King Kenny's departure was planned all along and not, as the pundits opined, because of his dreadful 2011-12 season in charge. Really, John?

In the minutes that follow, as other execs are identified and Rodgers is unveiled, you get to the debatable core of the documentary's reason for being: tele-visual talking points from the Anfield boardroom.

Brendan Rodgers has been entertaining enough in "Being: Liverpool" thus far, but when will results on the field match up to the drama being shown on television?

0:11 -- Rodgers' first tour of Melwood Training Ground finds him in reflective mood, meeting everyone from secretaries to physiotherapists to cafeteria cooks. "It doesn't matter if you're a football player or one of the cleaners. It doesn't matter to me. It's about respect," notes the new Liverpool boss. "If we end up in years to come winning the Barclays Premier League, they will have had just as much to do with it as me sat here. They played their part. And that's important."

Now this may well be something he holds as a core value, but it's also the kind of thing you say when you have a documentary film crew shuffling around your office and lowering a boom mic in your face. It sounds like something that a good manager, or one who believes himself to be a good manager, should say and should believe on a daily basis. It is, also, completely sensible and hard to refute. Treat people properly.

0:13 -- Meet Steven Gerrard, husband and father of three, zipping home in his sports car to be the family man. He's also Liverpool's heart and soul, the man often relied upon to drag the Reds above parity with timely, memorable and soul-lifting goals. The one-club man is such a relic these days, but Gerrard has carried the burden of sticking with a club that has hit some heights (but not all) with aplomb. It clearly wears on him these days -- The Gerrard Face, one of wear and forcibly swallowed frustration, should become an internet meme -- but the documentary paints him in a fuzzy light.

That said, his house looks exactly like Al Pacino's pad in Oliver Stone's "Any Given Sunday." All angular, sterile art and wall decorations in neutral colors, a home filled with cold and quiet.

0:17 -- Lucas Leiva's house, by contrast, is a menagerie. Kids play, WAGs chat and LFC teammates play Monopoly. Luis Suarez paying rent on Park Place! Sebastian Coates not passing go and collecting $200! This is the soft-focus tabloid portion of the show. Soccer players. THEY'RE JUST LIKE US.

Steven Gerrard is warmly portrayed in the "Being: Liverpool" premiere, but one wonders if that veneer will crack once recent on-field disappointments make it into subsequent episodes.

So far, I've also determined that Being:Liverpool is about soundbites and boardgames.

0:23 -- "Player plus environment equals the behavior." Pop quiz time: Brendan Rodgers or David Brent?

0:25 -- The first time we actually see soccer balls hoofed around, presumably to remind us that this is about soccer. At least tangentially. Charlie Adam, now with Stoke, rips a practice shot from range. Jamie Carragher's iconic red-faced yell is shown briefly in slow-motion. Jon Flanagan is earmarked as a youth player to watch.

As a fan of the club since the early ‘80s, I'm really hoping that Carragher gets plenty of screen time. Though his days as an integral member of the squad are obviously over, there had better be room for his unvarnished, self-deprecating style in such a slickly produced documentary. After all, he's as much "Liverpool" as Rodgers' zen coaching jargon or Gerrard's moribund sculpture collection. Yet I fear his quips will be largely left on the cutting room floor.

0:30 -- The most controversial point of Episode One. Rodgers has a large pop art print of himself on the wall in his house. This has to be explained beyond the simple cutaway shot it receives. Most of us have the odd wedding photo on our walls, family pictures, but oversized, stylized prints? Oh, Brendan.

And we learn that his daughter is dating his assistant manager's son. I fully expect this to be referenced in the tabloids ad nauseam should results at Anfield continue to flounder.

Being:Liverpool has morphed into Being:Brendan Rodgers. We've toured his crib, met his extended family, glimpsed his pool, his large sectional couch, his wine fridge and of course, THE HORRENDOUS SELF-PORTRAIT ON HIS WALL.

0:37 -- The first mention of the transfer window as "emerging Italian forward" Fabio Borini is introduced at Melwood. He takes his medical. This is the kind of access we'd dreamed of! Seeing young Fabio have blood drawn (he flinches) and answer a series of questions. Blood pressure cuff on. Then, he signs on the dotted line. Voila, a soup-to-nuts look at how transfers work. And not a mention of the Sky Sports ticker or an agent in sight.

Unfortunately, we're also forced to listen to managing director Ian Ayre, a man none too popular among Liverpool fans for his ham-handed conduct over the exile of Andy Carroll and subsequent failed move for Clint Dempsey. Yet whoever is truly to blame for such ineptitude will surely not be exposed in this hour-long promotional TV show.

0:41 -- Lads on tour. Not in the traditional lager and ladies sense, but montages of training exercises, sprints and tactical discussion.

0:48 -- Highlight of the show. Yoga and stretching sessions at the team hotel, but prankster Carragher can't stop himself from laughing and destroying the mood. As the instructor gamely tries to power through her routine, Carra's wobbly yoga poses cause ripples of laughter among the squad. The next move: "cat" position. Someone (presuming Carragher) lets out a quiet "meow." Cue more mood-shattering hilarity.

Jamie Carragher's uncensored style makes him appealing and engaging on camera. Yet his honesty means he'll surely remain on the fringe, much like he is with the current squad.

As a reformed class clown, I cannot appreciate this enough. For all the increasingly weird and new-agey methods creeping into sports medicine, there's still plenty of room for schoolboy humor from guys who would just like to play the games instead of perfecting their downward dog.

0:50 -- Liverpool FC meets the Boston Red Sox as Werner and Henry get their two glistening portfolio franchises in the same building. Rodgers meets Bobby Valentine. Boston OF Cody Ross asks Charlie Adam if he plays cricket; the grumpy, taciturn Scot shoots down the question. (No wonder he was sold.) Dani Pacheco gets a baseball and grins like a little leaguer.

Valentine and Rodgers later exchange jerseys and mug for the cameras. This is Being:Liverpool. All part of the business.

0:56 -- The first episode ends with Owen's polished overdubs as the squad watches a Red Sox game. We've yet to actually see them play a game, which is probably for the best (I am still trying to forget the Europa League qualifiers vs. Hearts). Back to the Storrsdale and more pub poetry before the big musical finale.

So just what does it all mean? As I noted at the top, such documentaries are usually reserved for those teams with nothing to lose. Yet Liverpool, it seems, has everything -- new manager, new-ish owners, a new philosophy and a gap to the best clubs that has never seemed wider -- at stake. As such, Being:Liverpool feels most like an exercise in humanization for a club that badly needs the positive PR in the wake of last season's failings and the Suarez-Patrice Evra incident.

Only time will tell if the act of allowing filmmakers to meddle in Rodgers' nascent mojo is sagely or destructive.

And if that analysis isn't forthcoming, just give me hours more footage of Jamie Carragher decimating a pilates class.
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Fuck Al Jazeera. That's all I have to say for today.
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