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post #841 of 995
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Originally Posted by laufer View Post

I am not surprised, AS wants to protect US based retailers. this is understandable.

While it is understandable it makes no business sense for the manufacturer. They should utilize all channels to maximize sales and profit, period.
post #842 of 995
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Originally Posted by Saratorial_Splender View Post

While it is understandable it makes no business sense for the manufacturer. They should utilize all channels to maximize sales and profit, period.

I have to agreed 100%. How about for the people who don't live in the US or Europe where does AS wants us to buy their shoes from?
post #843 of 995
I'm sure AFPOS will advise us soon of how this will all play out, including MTO.

When I spoke with Leffot about a year ago, they were only doing MTO Handgrade, not Exclusive. Plus, without this site or similar others consolidating Exclusive MTO of six, no store will ever get six MTO of the same shoe and type in the Exclusive range.

I hope we can continue to do MTO special runs with AFPOS. If not, Chay Cooper will lose a lot of business and it won't be made up for with new US orders. Protecting main-line products is one thing. Protecting one-off productions of special designs just mean they disappear.
post #844 of 995
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Originally Posted by Saratorial_Splender View Post

While it is understandable it makes no business sense for the manufacturer. They should utilize all channels to maximize sales and profit, period.

I agree. The fine folks at A Fine Pair of Shoes represented AS Exclusives extremely well. I am very sorry to see them loose the opportunity for the business.
post #845 of 995
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Originally Posted by scurvyfreedman View Post

I'm sure AFPOS will advise us soon of how this will all play out, including MTO.

When I spoke with Leffot about a year ago, they were only doing MTO Handgrade, not Exclusive. Plus, without this site or similar others consolidating Exclusive MTO of six, no store will ever get six MTO of the same shoe and type in the Exclusive range.

I hope we can continue to do MTO special runs with AFPOS. If not, Chay Cooper will lose a lot of business and it won't be made up for with new US orders. Protecting main-line products is one thing. Protecting one-off productions of special designs just mean they disappear.

Leffot is currently stocking AS Exclusive. 720.00 for the Hunt. 518.00 at AFPOS. That is what we are getting with this new policy. Does anyone even know of any AS stockists in the US? If this is being done to suck up to Leffot, it is nuts!
post #846 of 995
I agree this is insane. No one sells AS Exclusives in the US except Leffot that I know. Why kill off a sales channel? Not the brightest move on their part. Also, why the huge price difference between US and UK buyers? Why try to "protect" a price they don't charge their own domestic (UK) customers?
post #847 of 995
Had I known this was coming, I would've bought a few more pairs during the sale. Hope the MTOs keep coming.
post #848 of 995
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Originally Posted by Harrydog View Post

Leffot is currently stocking AS Exclusive. 720.00 for the Hunt. 518.00 at AFPOS. That is what we are getting with this new policy. Does anyone even know of any AS stockists in the US? If this is being done to suck up to Leffot, it is nuts!

I realized the Leffot is now selling Exclusives, but not MTO Exclusives with changes to the designs like AFPOS does with Handgrade models. It's a completely different service than standard Exclusive range shoes.
post #849 of 995
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"I'd like to take this opportunity to draw your attention to the fact that since January 15th (today) we are now no longer able to sell AS Exclusive outside of the EU market due to AS licensing agreements. In future therefore we would only be able to sell you AS Country, Sanders, accessories etc and not AS Exclusive standard collection. Since your Radwell order is already in place, we will of course honour this, but sadly after today that will no longer be possible. We hope to be able to continue with our hugely successful MTO SF programme though, since these would be shoes not available elsewhere they would not fall under the rules of any licensing agreement."

 

  that's too bad. Julian was a pleasure to deal with & was pretty accommodating when he was making sure the fit was just right.

More sales for G&G (unless they decide to screw up too) and Carmina. bontoni is nice though.


Edited by SoGent - 1/15/13 at 7:55pm
post #850 of 995
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Originally Posted by Harrydog View Post

Leffot is currently stocking AS Exclusive. 720.00 for the Hunt. 518.00 at AFPOS. That is what we are getting with this new policy. Does anyone even know of any AS stockists in the US? If this is being done to suck up to Leffot, it is nuts!

I believe that Ron Rider (Rider Boot Company) stocks a few models.
post #851 of 995
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Originally Posted by SoGent View Post

  that's too bad. Julian was a pleasure to deal with & was pretty accommodating when he was making sure the fit was just right.
More sales for G&G (unless they decide to screw up too) and Carmina. bontoni is nice though.

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post #852 of 995
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Originally Posted by scurvyfreedman View Post

I realized the Leffot is now selling Exclusives, but not MTO Exclusives with changes to the designs like AFPOS does with Handgrade models. It's a completely different service than standard Exclusive range shoes.

I didn't claim they were doing MTO exclusives. I think we can still do that with AFPOS. My point is that if you want to order a stock shoe in the exclusive line, like the Hunt, the Moore or the Ramsey (all available on the AFPOS site), you can't do it from the US. You have to go to US stockists like Leffot and and accept what they happen to stock at the price they charge. In the case of Leffot, the options are limited and the price signficantly more than what one would pay at AFPOS.

Ultimately, it isn't even the price I care that much about; it is simply having access to as wide a range of style and purchase options. It took six months for AS to produce our Miller boot. I will do MTO for a unique build, but in many cases I'd be just as happy with a RTW stock purchase. The more options and opportunity to purchase out of stock is very welcome.

Would I like more vendors and expanded stock and purchase opportunities? Sure! At the very least, I don't want to be denied the option of buying from a vendor's existing stock. That is exactly what AS has done.

Perhaps the compromise is to have AS set a standard and more narrow price range for e-commerce sales. That is what I understand EG does. A friend who runs a small haberdashery with an on-line sales component said that EG set a minimum price he could ask as part of the sales agreement. It also makes me think about EG's decision a year or so ago to stop serving the US in its semi-annual sale. Perhaps that was at the request of US vendors as well.
post #853 of 995
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Originally Posted by laufer View Post

I am not surprised, AS wants to protect US based retailers. this is understandable.

If AS cares about US retailers (do they really have any?), they might take the time to list that information on their web site.

What I found is:

Leffot has seven styles with a pretty good size run - but running about $200 more than at AFPOS. Maybe with the new AS policy, they will start to move them.

Rider Boot has two boots from the Country line - more casual, rugged stuff. $660-680. $435.00 at AFPOS.

Now of course you have to add in shipping to the US and play the customs game, but we are talking real money in the price difference. And as noted above, simply in availability and variety. For example, at Leffot I am not interested in the Pimlico , two hole derby in black (is that to fill the gap for an out of stock Arca?). Meanwhile, AFPOS has a nice derby, ankle boot the Radwell in a nice brown country grain. Ooooops, Can't buy that.

I wonder if AFPOS can export the Exclusive Limited Editions they make up - like the shell Ramsay's.

Julian and AFPOS have played a big role in establishing brand recognition for AS exclusive and now he is getting cut out so Leffot can reap the benefit?
Edited by Harrydog - 1/16/13 at 5:45am
post #854 of 995
Thread Starter 
It is unfortunate for those consumers outside of the EU without a local AS stockist. If the MTO program continues, it will provide AFPoS a nice avenue for business. Also, as in other MTO, they maintain the rights to the design. I do not want to make too many comparisons with Alden but their MTO program with various stockist (e.g., Leffot, Leather Soul) is a good example (from the business point of view).
post #855 of 995

Well what a bummer. That new Radwell chukka boot looks tasty. If they are doing this to protect Leffot, fine, but why can't I order this model to be shipped to  Asia? Doesn't quite add up.

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