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post #736 of 934
12/20/12 at 9:46am
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post #737 of 934
12/20/12 at 6:22pm
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Also, anyone feel a protruding piece of leather at the knuckle of the big toe?

Nope, sorry, none of that. Fit is generally good for a boot.
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post #738 of 934
12/20/12 at 8:43pm
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Thanks. I'm curious about sizing. The box nor the shoe specify the exact size (width isn't listed). And I asked for the left boot to be made in an F fitting and the right on an E width. I think they flipped it frown.gif
The left foot is killing me and my right foot is a tad loose
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My Benson feels like a G eventhough AFPoS says it is F.

So unfortunately it seems like AS may have made a mistake on my width as well -- I asked for a slimmer E width and I just received my Bensons and they are significantly wider than a pair of AS monkstraps I have on the exact same last but in a F width. Very disappointing after such a long wait; I have emailed Sarah and will see what happens. At this point, I am not inclined to wait another 3 - 4 months for a new pair.

Also, the Bensons don't look anything like 2 other pairs of cognac shell I have from AS and Carmina. Much much darker. Not even in the range of normal shell variation from batch to batch. The color is not a significant issue, but the width is a big deal.
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post #739 of 934
12/20/12 at 11:04pm
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I am thinking more of a burnished dark grey which is noticeably different/lighter than black. Maybe darker than my pair of Oundles below:
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I would also be open to have the Keats in a tan/cognac/acorn-ish color.

 

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I'd be interested in the Keats in burgundy or oxblood, perhaps with matching suede in the throat of the adelaide by the laces.

 

I think Keats in a burnished dark gray would be great.  Perhaps a Benson/Ramsey in #8 Shell?  I don't necessarily see myself wearing the millers but they're too good looking to pass up..  


Edited by Itsuo - 12/21/12 at 4:41am
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post #740 of 934
12/21/12 at 6:30am
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So unfortunately it seems like AS may have made a mistake on my width as well -- I asked for a slimmer E width and I just received my Bensons and they are significantly wider than a pair of AS monkstraps I have on the exact same last but in a F width. Very disappointing after such a long wait; I have emailed Sarah and will see what happens. At this point, I am not inclined to wait another 3 - 4 months for a new pair.
Also, the Bensons don't look anything like 2 other pairs of cognac shell I have from AS and Carmina. Much much darker. Not even in the range of normal shell variation from batch to batch. The color is not a significant issue, but the width is a big deal.

That was my exact experience with my Bensons as well.

Much wider than any other AS in the same size and last, feels like a G fit to me. I have another monk, the Hadleigh and they fit like a true F.
Color is much darker than cognac, it is very dark brown. You can tell they are not finished since the edges of the leather were fresh as cut.
The finish was basic, I spent 2 days finishing them using Saphir Renovatot and wax.
The trres that I ordered on mine is very loose at the heel. This easy, I could get adifferent set, but I am as well not inlined to wait 5-6 months for a new pair.
I hope the Milton and Blake are finished better and done to a higher standard.
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post #741 of 934
12/21/12 at 7:05am
Got my Bensons last night.
They do seem to be dark for cognac but I think within the range of what I've seen.
Color seems about the same as C&J cordovan Marlows/Darltons/Lindrics etc.
I don't know what it is about that particular cordovan, but it seems to really be loaded up with polish and needs some intense brushing out of the box.

Mine fit the same as my other 99 last shoes in medium width (F or whatever the hell AS calls it).

I'm pleased with them.
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post #742 of 934
12/21/12 at 8:39am
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Thanks. I'm curious about sizing. The box nor the shoe specify the exact size (width isn't listed). And I asked for the left boot to be made in an F fitting and the right on an E width. I think they flipped it frown.gif
The left foot is killing me and my right foot is a tad loose
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They are gorgeous boots, but it's this type of commentary/feedback that reminds me of my initial hesitations in doing a MTO. Nothing like waiting longer in anticipation for something and then being disappointed when it arrives.
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post #743 of 934
12/21/12 at 10:15am

Damn...that is quite an expensive education.

 

Good luck getting in touch with Chay Cooper. He is probably 'busy', 'travelling' or both. 

 

I had 800 quid to spend on one of his Handgrade pairs but he palmed me off to someone who doesn't even work at his company.

 

He sadly did not grasp that at that price point, a customer is not just looking for service but impeccable service.

 

So I have given the job to a more deserving competitor who have their act together.


Edited by Fiddler - 12/21/12 at 10:29am
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post #744 of 934
12/21/12 at 10:16am
So I spoke to Sarah re: the incorrect width and, to their credit, they are willing to take the shoes back.

Problem is that it turns out that shipping back to the UK is close to $90 because of the weight. So before I go to all that hassle, if anyone who missed out on the Benson pre-order is interested in taking this pair off my hands, I would be willing to take a $90 hit (which is the cost of shipping to the UK) and pass these along to someone who they will fit.

Luckily my pair are finished perfectly acceptably (sorry Sartorial Splendor!) but are sized as 10F (not the 10E requested). They will come with everything I ordered, lasted shoe trees and inlaid metal toe taps.

All in, I ended up paying $920 for these and would take $825 shipped in the U.S. Otherwise, back to England they go. Let me know via PM if anyone is interested.
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post #745 of 934
12/21/12 at 10:24am
The sizing certainly could have been incorrect, but I also think shell tends to feel looser than calfskin, even on the same last and size. DWFII or someone of similar depth of understanding told me shoes are stretched when lasting and they constrict a bit when off the last. Since shell doesn't stretch as much as calfskin when lasting, the resulting shoe is looser than one in calfskin, even if on the exactl same last. This has been true ime.

Sorry I didn't mention this earlier, but I only found out by experience with the recent order I posted above. Both were made on the same last and same size, but the calfskin loafers are snugger than the shell boots. In my case, I'm happy with this, since I'll be wearing thicker socks with the boots. I think I have enough shell shoes, but if I were to order again, I'd probably get shell boots/shoes in a half size smaller than calfskin ones.
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post #746 of 934
12/21/12 at 10:30am
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I think shell tends to feel looser than calfskin. DWFII or someone of similar depth of understanding told me shoes are stretched when lasting and they constrict a bit when off the last. Since shell doesn't stretch as much as calfskin when lasting, the resulting shoe is looser than one in calfskin, even if on the same last. This has been true ime. Sorry I didn't mention this earlier, but I only found out by experience with the recent order I posted above. Both were made on the same last and same size, but the calfskin loafers are snigger than the shell boots.

I have heard the same thing and this is completely accurate in my experience. And that is exactly why I ordered a slim E fitting to compensate for the looser shell. However, comparing the 10F I currently own with the "alleged" 10E Bensons I received, the 10E are still appreciably looser even taking into account that shell stretches less over the last.

Mistakes happen, so its not a big deal and A Fine Pair of Shoes was responsive, so I am not troubled. I just thought if the 10F for the Benson works for someone who missed out on the preorder, this could be an easy solution.
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post #747 of 934
12/21/12 at 2:05pm
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The sizing certainly could have been incorrect, but I also think shell tends to feel looser than calfskin, even on the same last and size. DWFII or someone of similar depth of understanding told me shoes are stretched when lasting and they constrict a bit when off the last. Since shell doesn't stretch as much as calfskin when lasting, the resulting shoe is looser than one in calfskin, even if on the exactl same last. This has been true ime.
Sorry I didn't mention this earlier, but I only found out by experience with the recent order I posted above. Both were made on the same last and same size, but the calfskin loafers are snugger than the shell boots. In my case, I'm happy with this, since I'll be wearing thicker socks with the boots. I think I have enough shell shoes, but if I were to order again, I'd probably get shell boots/shoes in a half size smaller than calfskin ones.

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Originally Posted by CHRK33 View Post

I have heard the same thing and this is completely accurate in my experience. And that is exactly why I ordered a slim E fitting to compensate for the looser shell. However, comparing the 10F I currently own with the "alleged" 10E Bensons I received, the 10E are still appreciably looser even taking into account that shell stretches less over the last.
Mistakes happen, so its not a big deal and A Fine Pair of Shoes was responsive, so I am not troubled. I just thought if the 10F for the Benson works for someone who missed out on the preorder, this could be an easy solution.

Emptym do you do anything before the first wearing of Shell Boots/Shoes. Good to keep in mind about sizing. Thanks.
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post #748 of 934
12/21/12 at 2:27pm
Nope. I just wear them. Imo, setting the crease is the most important thing to remember for the first wear of a boot or shoe. But to care for shell, I'll use Venetian Cream or Renovateur, maybe a little polish on the toe. For boots I'll use SnoSeal to waterproof them as Crane's posted in SWD.
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post #749 of 934
12/21/12 at 5:56pm
The AS are creasing incredible. Best ever. This last fits me great. Only wish the width panned out
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post #750 of 934
12/21/12 at 6:29pm
Pics sir!
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