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post #46 of 185
Maybe if everyone bitches enough someone who knows John Stollenwerk will send him an email and let him know that there is a big market that they are ignoring and people looking for elegant shoes are forced to shop for overseas brands who would possibly buy AEs if it wasn't for their ugly designs. AE makes over $100million/yr, there is potentially tens of millions more just by adding more lasts that will appeal to another segment, especially since lately they have been opening new stores and pushing to sell in existing department stores.
post #47 of 185
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Originally Posted by 127.72 MHz
Great example AlanC. ... I know the top boot is an example of an Alden "Fan Shoe," I'm not sure about the other.
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Although I've already said how much I love Allen Edmonds, my favorite pair of shoes is by Heinrich Dinklacker, jeeze Louise I love these shoes and unless I'm mistaken, (I hope I am) I know of no dealers in the U.S.A..

Bill,
Follow the link provided by AlanC. Both of those shoes are from LeatherSoul in Hawaii. The top model LOOKS like a Fan model, but it is on the Plaza last, rather than the Barrie, and has a double leather sole, instead of the Alden split commando. It also has 9 proper eyelets, instead of 4 top hooks.

It sure would be nice if you could share a few photos of your Dinklacker's.

Cheers!
post #48 of 185
Does AE only make unshanked shoes? (I think so.) Is that maybe why they don't make sleeker lasts with smaller waists?

In any case, I can't imagine it would be THAT much of a problem to make a last with a chiseled toe and a little shape to it. V-Man and I discussed this at length - he lives near them and was thinking of going in with a proposal to make a modern line. Instead of that they seem intent on going after what I hope is a nonexistent demographic with some of their newer offerings.

OTOH, it would be cool if they could embrace the clunkiness on some models and offer storm welts, etc., sort of like Trickers has.
post #49 of 185
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Originally Posted by LabelKing
Aren't Aldens unsurprisingly popular in Germany?
What's unsurprising about that?
Go to Hamburg, Munich or Düsseldorf and you won't notice a difference how people are dressed compared to Paris or Rome...
post #50 of 185
I think some of the older models of AE (Holt ankle boots, Fairgate derbys, McAllister Bals) were quite a bit nicer than their current offerings.

My AE Fairgates (prolly 5 years old) are one of my favorite shoes for dress casual wear.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3384/ton5el.jpg
post #51 of 185
Yeah, but the French and Italians aren't known for wearing socks with their sandals during summertime
post #52 of 185
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Teacher
In all seriousness, what is the point of this thread? "Hey, let's bitch about Allen Edmonds!"

Pretty much, although I prefer to think of it as a lament.
post #53 of 185
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Originally Posted by Christofuh
Yeah, but the French and Italians aren't known for wearing socks with their sandals during summertime
every country has its sartorial indulgence....
post #54 of 185
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Originally Posted by Get Smart
+1000000000

having owned a couple pairs, they're ok as far as fit/comfort.....the styling is terrible, most shoes looking like logs. The price is high (at retail), and I'd feel like I was buying for the sake of it at sale prices.
TAT shoes jason?
post #55 of 185
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Originally Posted by LeicaLad
Bill,
Follow the link provided by AlanC. Both of those shoes are from LeatherSoul in Hawaii. The top model LOOKS like a Fan model, but it is on the Plaza last, rather than the Barrie, and has a double leather sole, instead of the Alden split commando. It also has 9 proper eyelets, instead of 4 top hooks.

It sure would be nice if you could share a few photos of your Dinklacker's.

Cheers!

No need to ask what kind of camera you shoot with right?!

Maybe we're crossing our wires on the "Fan shoe" thing from Alden. I called Middleborough, MA. last week on an unrelated matter and spoke to one of Alden's national account sales representatives.

He told me an Alden "Fan shoe" is any Alden shoe that is not in their regular catalog. As an example, the Alden 990 is a plain blucher oxford with a double leather sole. You will find however that The Alden Shop in San Fransisco has a "Fan Shoe" that is nothing more than a 990 with a semi commando sole. All The Alden Shop had to do was call Alden, tell them what they wanted that is not in the regular Alden catalog and agree to order at least a dozen pair. The fellow from Alden told me the retailer can name the shoe anything they choose.

Another Alden retailer who is big on these shoes is an outfit that calls themselves "Alden of Carmel." This guy offers many "Fan Shoe" model Aldens that are nothing more than a standard Alden model with a different sole or an existing model that he will have Alden make in Shell Cordovan. (The "Indy boot" made in Shell Cordovan as an example)

I was ready to order a pair or two but after several e-mails I found that "Alden of Carmel" is not even in Carmel, but Port Angeles, WA. The beautiful pictures of his Alden shoes displayed in a tasteful store with each pair of shoes having it's own cubby hole tailored in wood,.....all a shame, because not only does he only sell his shoes via the internet, but he will ONLY communicate via e-mail. I wanted to spend five minutes on the phone with him to discuss the purchase of a five hundred plus dollar pair of shoes,....NO WAY, and NO EXCEPTIONS!

Anyway, I digress,...

As I understand an Alden "Fan Shoe," it's not as though they will design a new shoe under this program. They will construct a new "Fan Shoe" using combinations of features of their existing models.

Pictures of some of my shoes,...I've been saying to some of my pals that I will learn one day to use my new digital camera so I can send pictures to my friends, but as of now I've owned my camera for almost six months and I have yet to even download one picture on my computer. (I know, I should have never admitted it)

How much do I love my favorite pair of shoes? Although I could easliy wear my favorite Heinrich Dinkelacker shoe with a suit, I wear them all the time not not only with Khakis, but with jeans and a belt that almost exactly matches their color. Yes, wing tip Dinkelackers with jeans! (I know it's shameless and possibly classless as well but I just don't care!) Is it any wonder my Mother still tells the story of me refusing to go shopping with her in the middle of Summer in San Diego unless I could wear my cowboy boots,... even though it was so hot I was wearing shorts! (I was only four years old, now I'm forty five and it's a variation of the same theme!)

Regards,
Bill Woodward
aka 127.72 MHz
Portland, Oregon
post #56 of 185
Not to ruffle anyone's feathers, but lets face it : AE to dress shoes is what RM Williams is to dress boots.
post #57 of 185
Does anyone know why AE finishes their shoes with that ugly edging material? Check out the ankle opening below. Is it a cost-cutting thing?

post #58 of 185
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Originally Posted by dkzzzz
Not to ruffle anyone's feathers, but lets face it : AE to dress shoes is what RM Williams is to dress boots.

Now you're just trying to get Sator riled up.
post #59 of 185
I think many of the posts in this thread seriously misunderstand AE's target consumer. The people on this board constitute an incredibly small minority of the shoe buying public. Do you really think that AE's bottomline is suffering because they aren't making shoes with narrow, European style lasts? Do you think this is what the average AE customer wants? Do you think that if AE changed its production to incorporate shoe designs with sleeker shapes that they'd suddenly have a huge influx of new customers who've spent years purchasing Edward Greens and Santonis while lamenting the state of AE and thinking "if only"?

For that matter, do you think the majority of people living in Europe are paying Edward Green, John Lobb and Santoni prices on a regular basis?

It seems that (once again) several people on this board fail to understand that there are many people out there who like the understated, conservative stylings of both AE and Alden. Some of them even post on this board (and some of them also have experience with some of the more expensive, rarefied shoe brands that are talked about ad nauseum here). If you don't like AE's styling, that's fine. Different strokes, etc. However, to somehow equate this dislike with a failure on the part of AE misses the mark IMHO. Not everyone wants to wear shoes with the sleek styling that is promoted on this message board. We're not all wandering the shoe wilderness waiting and hoping to be "pushed into the light."
post #60 of 185
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Originally Posted by 127.72 MHz
No need to ask what kind of camera you shoot with right?!

Anyway, I digress,...

Bill, Hmm. Interesting post. But, we both digress.

Yup, you can guess my cameras. Well, most of them. I've lots more of different types, but brought only 4 (+ 8 lenses) Leica M's with me out here on this posting.

Anyway, a bit of semantics on the Fan shoes, but we're on the same page.

Some of the historians here might correct me, but I have long understood that the first use of "Fan" was by Adam of Alden-of-Carmel. Alden later picked up the term to refer to all special orders. Adam's shop really was in Carmel, but he later moved to Washington State. He's a very nice guy, and his shoes are very nice. He's not big on phone conversations, but has an excellent reputation here with many customers. I've always found him to be very helpful... by e-mail.

The specific boots that were pictured up in the earlier thread were those from a special order group done by Tom at LeatherSoul in Hawaii. That special order group just came in, and most of these were purchased by forum people. I'm among those wishing I'd ordered them back when... But, hey, lots of cool versions can be had. Read the RM Williams thread and you might find yourself joining in on the Forum Special boot that Sator has "designed". I'm thinking about a Jodhpur version of the same boot.

I'll admit that if I had a couple pair of Heinrich Dinkelacker shoes, I'd probably be wearing them with my denim, too.

Anyway, this is the AE thread. Someone said it was just complaining, but I find any threads where people are describing what they like and hate about their specific shoes to be constructive, or, at least, instructive. Bitch away, everyone. Just provide the details. And photos, when possible.

Thanks.
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