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post #16 of 98
As much as I have to agree with Geezer that there are people who would never dream of wearing a collared shirt on weekends, it is just odd to them to wear one to look good or for pleasure's sake. However, I find it impossible to believe that MZ does not know that as a general rule, you wear a suit (or at least a sport coat) to a business meeting. When going for an interview, every kid I know out of college knows that they should in fact wear a suit. I might be a solid black polyester suit that is a size too big or shoes that would be better suited for a trip to the dog park, but it is still a suit. I don't think he can claim he just didn't think of it, I find it more likely he thinks he is MZ and he can do what he likes at this point. That said, he may not have meant any offense to the investors he was meeting, not everyone holds true the "You get dressed up to show your company they are important" idea.
post #17 of 98
He should wear a tux, under an astronaut's space suit - accompanied by a similarly dressed monkey, the next time he heads down to Wall St.
post #18 of 98
The bankers in this case do not create value--they find ways to skim profit from value that others have created. MZ is really showing them how he feels about them by forcing them to take only 1% of the money raised rather than their usual 3%. Remember, Facebook is only going public because of SEC rules that essentially force private companies to go public when they have too many owners.

The bankers are lucky he's not engineering a way to go directly to investors and cut them out entirely. And they know it. Whining about suits is one way to vent.

The clothing issue is just a side show. And it has become a personal brand for MZ. Who do you think he considers more important--Wall Street, or his users?
post #19 of 98
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The clothing issue is just a side show. And it has become a personal brand for MZ. Who do you think he considers more important--Wall Street, or his users?

Based on the privacy issues with FB and the fact that I get constant spam ads on there I think the greedy turd cares more about the money. Personally, if I had the opportunity, I'd short the stock not only because I think he's a douche and a tool but because I don't believe the revenues support the valuation nor do I think that it will become/stay everyone's go-to platform for everything the way Google has. I trust Google with my information and to give me products that actually add value to my life. I love my Android phone but you couldn't pay me to use a Facebook-powered phone.
post #20 of 98

Yeah, I don't think MZ is trying to send a message to Wall Street.  He wants investors to vie for FB shares.  If he wanted to tell Wall Street investors that he doesn't care about them, why show up at all?  Michael Pachtner of Wedbush Securities stated that the hoodie led him to believe that MZ is still too immature. Other commentators suggested that the hoodie shows MZ is still the hip, fresh, rebellious youth who made FB the success it is today.

 

I say MZ's mode of dress stems from his early success.  He didn't have to climb the ladder at a mainstream corporation the way many young graduates do.  Hence he never had to conform to conservative corporate culture.  So it's no wonder he still dresses like a college student.  And, as reported in the media, he once showed up for a meeting in his pajamas.  Sounds like a college kid to me.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/09/tech/social-media/zuckerberg-hoodie-wall-street/index.html?imw=Y

 

http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/06/technology/facebook_excerpt_early.fortune/index.htm

post #21 of 98
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Yeah, I don't think MZ is trying to send a message to Wall Street.  He wants investors to vie for FB shares.  If he wanted to tell Wall Street investors that he doesn't care about them, why show up at all?  Michael Pachtner of Wedbush Securities stated that the hoodie led him to believe that MZ is still too immature. Other commentators suggested that the hoodie shows MZ is still the hip, fresh, rebellious youth who made FB the success it is today.

I say MZ's mode of dress stems from his early success.  He didn't have to climb the ladder at a mainstream corporation the way many young graduates do.  Hence he never had to conform to conservative corporate culture.  So it's no wonder he still dresses like a college student.  And, as reported in the media, he once showed up for a meeting in his pajamas.  Sounds like a college kid to me.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/09/tech/social-media/zuckerberg-hoodie-wall-street/index.html?imw=Y

http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/06/technology/facebook_excerpt_early.fortune/index.htm

...or a product of the Silicon Valley culture. Silicon Valley denizens can spend their entire careers without ever putting on suits. I've been at a VC-sponsored session where the CEO of a startup (who is a successful serial entrepreneur) pitched his stuff to a Fortune 500 company in a Robert Graham shirt and chinos. Nobody present blinked an eye. Only bankers seem to get upset at such "lack of respect"...
post #22 of 98
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Originally Posted by F. Corbera View Post

Some of his old classmates wear coat and tie.
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I somehow remembered them as having wider shoulders. Evidently, crew isn't what it used to be.
post #23 of 98

It's difficult to be taken seriously as a silicon valley CEO unless your uniform is jeans and a t shirt or sweater. If you wear a sweater you'll be compared unfavorably to bill gates. If you wear a turtleneck you'll be compared unfavorably to steve jobs. SV is just now starting to accept that not everyone who dresses decently is an evil banker or lawyer out to destroy them. 

 

I'd bet on jeans and t shirts (and hoodies in the winter) being the norm for at least another 5 or 10 years.

post #24 of 98
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It's difficult to be taken seriously as a silicon valley CEO unless your uniform is jeans and a t shirt or sweater. If you wear a sweater you'll be compared unfavorably to bill gates. If you wear a turtleneck you'll be compared unfavorably to steve jobs. SV is just now starting to accept that not everyone who dresses decently is an evil banker or lawyer out to destroy them. 

I'd bet on jeans and t shirts (and hoodies in the winter) being the norm for at least another 5 or 10 years.

i figure until a tech/social media bubble bust then people will gravitate back to suits. I work for a big company in silicon valley, from observation, giving lots of free perks and having super casual and relaxed environment works great for some people who can be extremely productive. For a large majority though they just get spoiled and lazy
post #25 of 98
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Originally Posted by motosacto View Post

...or a product of the Silicon Valley culture. Silicon Valley denizens can spend their entire careers without ever putting on suits. I've been at a VC-sponsored session where the CEO of a startup (who is a successful serial entrepreneur) pitched his stuff to a Fortune 500 company in a Robert Graham shirt and chinos. Nobody present blinked an eye. Only bankers seem to get upset at such "lack of respect"...

That's a lot different than meeting VCs in your pajamas. The RG shirt and chinos shows that you aren't a particularly formal dresser (most in the Valley aren't) and that you don't really have a good sense of current fashion trends (most in the Valley don't) but that you still are together enough to get dressed like an adult would when you go to do adult things, like pitch investors. The level of formality matters a lot less than signaling one's ability to conduct basic everyday tasks (like getting dressed) the way a grownup would, not the way a college kid would.
post #26 of 98
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... However, I find it impossible to believe that MZ does not know that as a general rule, you wear a suit (or at least a sport coat) to a business meeting. When going for an interview, every kid I know out of college knows that they should in fact wear a suit..

 

I disagree. I'd say it's far more plausible that he's never had a suit and never thinks about them because I don't think he ever had to go for an interview and since he didn't even graduate then it's fair to say he's never had to wear one since he started college.

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post #28 of 98
I find the notion presented in this blog post interesting...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-leadership/post/the-art-of-mark-zuckerbergs-hoodie/2012/05/09/gIQAhBCnDU_blog.html

...that he's always wearing hoodies and gray t-shirts and that if he wore a suit to these meetings he'd go "out of character" an dbe showing Wall Street investors that he was kowtowing to them and not a strong leader...and that the hoodie somehow represents stability in company leadership once it goes public and is beholden to new forces it isn't now, i.e. regulations and stockholders.

The only justifiable defense, in my book. I still gotta wonder, what were the analysts and investors clad in CBD he was meeting with thinking? I'm guessing

1) "We've seen this all before."

2) "You're a punk."

3) "Doesn't matter what you wear. Nice Web site, broheim, I want me some of that. How can I get into the IPO?"
post #29 of 98
I think it's good that MZ is consistent and true to his character, but there's a time and place for everything, including your casualness.

I mean, I love clothes, and if I had a billion dollars I would go directly to Tom Ford, Kiton, and Giorgio Armani, and buy as much stuff as my vehicle could carry, but would I wear a $8500 suit to the Kroger (assuming I did my own shopping)? No; it's stuck-up and rich (hm.. on second thought, that's kinda cool!). Would I wear a Banana Republic polo and a pair of Levi's to an important meeting? No; it says I'd rather be at home with my Playstation (which is likely true, though I wouldn't want those who may want to throw money my way to know that!).

Moral: dress appropriately for the occasion.

Digressing, but anytime I consider donning a T-shirt to wear in public, I think 'what if I die in this'?, regardless of the occasion that calls me away from my beloved seclusion. XD I guess I'm a hypocrite.
post #30 of 98
Make no mistake, this is a power play.

You do not get to be in the position he is without some political savvy.

He's like the hedge fund traders who turn up for work in flip flops or LBJ greeting people while on the toilet. It's all to distract you and let you know who is boss.

Also helps that he's comfortable wearing it and feels himself when doing so.
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