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I think I know the firm you are talking about.  Congrats on finding an SA gig in this tough market. 

 

Thanks. I am pretty happy to be gainfully employed 2L summer - many of my classmates have stuck out. 

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As a partner in a biglaw firm that requires suits, I'd offer this advice:

 

1 - skip the loafers and go with a pair of brown balmorals, (a brown park avenue, for example);

2 - Don't wear pocket squares or pinkie rings unless you see partners wearing them.  As a SA, you want to stand out because of who you are and what you bring to the table, not because of how you dress.

3 - 3 suits is fine for a SA

 

Lastly, relax.  In addition to your legal skills (which, IMHO, no SA really has yet) you're going to be evaluated on how you carry yourself, how well you play with others, your willingness and ability to learn and take direction, and how well the partners feel you will fit into the fabric of the firm.  Be yourself, don't try to sell yourself.  You can smell that a mile away, and it's not a pleasant smell.  

 

Thanks for the advice. What do you mean by "learn and take direction?" 

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Thanks. I am pretty happy to be gainfully employed 2L summer - many of my classmates have stuck out. 

 

Thanks for the advice. What do you mean by "learn and take direction?" 

 

Let me put it this way.  Every SA thinks he or she is hot shit (I certainly did), even more so when you're employed as a 2L in a down economy.  The truth, however, is that no SA really knows how to do anything meaningful.  Law school, IMHO, doesn't prepare you to practice law, it prepares you to pass the bar.  Take the time you have working at a firm to learn as much as possible.  Listen more than you speak, and don't be afraid of constructive criticism.  

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What do you mean by "learn and take direction?" 

You're at least 23 or 24 and you're questioning what this means? You're starting to worry me now. Clothes may be the least of your worries, no offense.
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As for going to a nicer department store and trying things on - should I just make note of my measurements in each brand? For instance, JAB has me at a 48 long, but other brands I can fit 46-48 regular. Thoughts?

Your size will be for each brand what it will be. I was thinking more along the lines of what features do you like...2 button or 3/2 roll? Single or double vents? Pick stitching or no? stuff like that. more just the general appearance that matches what you like. Then in the future it's easier to buy because you can be more targeted. That all comes with time.
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You're at least 23 or 24 and you're questioning what this means? You're starting to worry me now. Clothes may be the least of your worries, no offense.

 

Here's how I interpret your comment:

 

"You're 24 years old, and you can't figure out the plain language meaning of 'learn and take direction?' You must be mentally challenged, and thus clothing is the least of your worries."

 

Here is the definition of learn and take direction:

 

Learn

 

1 gain or acquire knowledge of or skill in (something) by study, experience, or being taught : they'd started learning French | [with infinitive ] she is learning to play the piano | [ intrans. ] we learn from experience.

 

Direction

 

2 the management or guidance of someone or something : under his direction, the college has developed an international reputation.

the work of supervising and controlling the actors and other staff in a movie, play, or other production.

( directions) instructions on how to reach a destination or about how to do something : Preston gave him directions to a restaurant | directions for making puff pastry.

an authoritative order or command : to suggest that members of Congress would take direction on how to vote is an affront.

 

The reason I asked for a clarification is because I do understand what the plain language means, but I am looking for more nuanced answers - little bits of information that I could have never guessed from 'learn and take direction.' For example, would you have guessed it meant what elbastardocalvo wrote? 

 

I do appreciate your help and comments, but what you suggested is offensive and unnecessary. Are you a lawyer or in law school?

 

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Your size will be for each brand what it will be. I was thinking more along the lines of what features do you like...2 button or 3/2 roll? Single or double vents? Pick stitching or no? stuff like that. more just the general appearance that matches what you like. Then in the future it's easier to buy because you can be more targeted. That all comes with time.

 

I assume there are better and worse choices for small and large builds, yes? I'm 6' 1" (actually 6' 1.75") and  have a large frame. Any thoughts?

 

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You're at least 23 or 24 and you're questioning what this means? You're starting to worry me now. Clothes may be the least of your worries, no offense.

 

Here's how I interpret your comment:

 

"You're 24 years old, and you can't figure out the plain language meaning of 'learn and take direction?' You must be mentally challenged, and thus clothing is the least of your worries."

 

Here is the definition of learn and take direction:

 

Learn

 

1 gain or acquire knowledge of or skill in (something) by study, experience, or being taught : they'd started learning French | [with infinitive ] she is learning to play the piano | [ intrans. ] we learn from experience.

 

Direction

 

2 the management or guidance of someone or something : under his direction, the college has developed an international reputation.

the work of supervising and controlling the actors and other staff in a movie, play, or other production.

( directions) instructions on how to reach a destination or about how to do something : Preston gave him directions to a restaurant | directions for making puff pastry.

an authoritative order or command : to suggest that members of Congress would take direction on how to vote is an affront.

 

The reason I asked for a clarification is because I do understand what the plain language means, but I am looking for more nuanced answers - little bits of information that I could have never guessed from 'learn and take direction.' For example, would you have guessed it meant what elbastardocalvo wrote? 

 

I do appreciate your help and comments, but what you suggested is offensive and unnecessary. Are you a lawyer or in law school?

 

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Your size will be for each brand what it will be. I was thinking more along the lines of what features do you like...2 button or 3/2 roll? Single or double vents? Pick stitching or no? stuff like that. more just the general appearance that matches what you like. Then in the future it's easier to buy because you can be more targeted. That all comes with time.

 

I assume there are better and worse choices for small and large builds, yes? I'm 6' 1" (actually 6' 1.75") and  have a large frame. Any thoughts?

 



Avoid true 3 button suits. Embrace slightly wider lapels. Just say no to too-widely spread shirt collars. Braces (suspenders) are your friend. Always double down on 11.
post #22 of 31
I did not take your comment to mean "give me the little bits of info and nuances". I took it, quickly I might add, that you broadly asked what does it mean to learn in a job. I really don't want to get into a debate here so I'll just say this. You are an intern. Your goal this summer is to shut up (unless asking questions), listen, do what is asked, and figure out what will create an offer and then be required of you once you are a full-time member of the firm. (so, what elbastardocalvo said). This is the same for any internship in any industry. So my point was if you don't understand that you're there to learn and take direction then I fear whatever basic skills are being taught today at the college level, and job prep at the post-secondary level, are woefully inadequate. Hence, clothes should not be your primary concern, how to approach this internship should.

On the flipside, your overanalyzing of a handful of words and debating interpretation means you're on the right path for a legal career.



back to the clothes...brands are all over the place. diffusion lines are different from main lines. one batch of suits could be made in turkey the next in china and you have differences that you don't know til you try on. There really isn't a good "this always fits for the 6'1" guy no matter what" answer. I've personally gravitated towards what fits me best and have bought multiple fabrics from those makers. You just have to take some time and not rush anything, especially for pieces that you'll want to keep for a while. When you buy a suit because you absolutely have to is when you look back months later and say man this was a stupid purchase. We've all done it. To that extent, my original advice was for stuff like ties and shirts you could jump into quicker, because you need them now, and then buy more quality stuff down the road. If you're going to be a desk jockey, you'll blow through the elbows anyway. But shoes, sport coats, and suits you'll wear for 4-6 years a piece. Those are the items that you'll be happier in the long run if you take a little time to educate yourself.

Pink can be worn with just about anything.
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I did not take your comment to mean "give me the little bits of info and nuances". I took it, quickly I might add, that you broadly asked what does it mean to learn in a job. I really don't want to get into a debate here so I'll just say this. You are an intern. Your goal this summer is to shut up (unless asking questions), listen, do what is asked, and figure out what will create an offer and then be required of you once you are a full-time member of the firm. (so, what elbastardocalvo said). This is the same for any internship in any industry. So my point was if you don't understand that you're there to learn and take direction then I fear whatever basic skills are being taught today at the college level, and job prep at the post-secondary level, are woefully inadequate. Hence, clothes should not be your primary concern, how to approach this internship should.
On the flipside, your overanalyzing of a handful of words and debating interpretation means you're on the right path for a legal career.
back to the clothes...brands are all over the place. diffusion lines are different from main lines. one batch of suits could be made in turkey the next in china and you have differences that you don't know til you try on. There really isn't a good "this always fits for the 6'1" guy no matter what" answer. I've personally gravitated towards what fits me best and have bought multiple fabrics from those makers. You just have to take some time and not rush anything, especially for pieces that you'll want to keep for a while. When you buy a suit because you absolutely have to is when you look back months later and say man this was a stupid purchase. We've all done it. To that extent, my original advice was for stuff like ties and shirts you could jump into quicker, because you need them now, and then buy more quality stuff down the road. If you're going to be a desk jockey, you'll blow through the elbows anyway. But shoes, sport coats, and suits you'll wear for 4-6 years a piece. Those are the items that you'll be happier in the long run if you take a little time to educate yourself.
Pink can be worn with just about anything.

 

Points taken. So what industry or profession are you in?

 

Also, Pink seems like a bad choice for an olive suit; it makes me think of something disgusting. 

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Also, Pink seems like a bad choice for an olive suit; it makes me think of something disgusting.
Agreed. Stay away from pink and olive. In fact, olive might not be the best color for a summer associate. But if you've got it I suppose it's ok to wear.

As for shirts in general, I would just figure out your sizing at Charles Tyrwhitt and do their 4 for $199 deal x 2: 4 white, 4 light blue, one blue and white stripe, and one check of some sort. Or do the same at Brooks Brothers.
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Agreed. Stay away from pink and olive. In fact, olive might not be the best color for a summer associate. But if you've got it I suppose it's ok to wear.
As for shirts in general, I would just figure out your sizing at Charles Tyrwhitt and do their 4 for $199 deal x 2: 4 white, 4 light blue, one blue and white stripe, and one check of some sort. Or do the same at Brooks Brothers.

 

Problem I have with that is spending $400 on shirts that might need to be replaced as early as August. 

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I live about 2 hours outside of Chicago. So getting to all of the big stores is no problem - I can do it in a day trip. If there are any Chicago specific establishments that anyone recommends, please let me know. 

Paul Stuart. Never been to their Chicago stores but the NYC store is one of my favorite shops. The actual shop has much, much more than the website.
http://www.paulstuart.com/shop_men.cfm?MainCatId=14&headermenuid=1

Fred
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Problem I have with that is spending $400 on shirts that might need to be replaced as early as August.
But you need shirts now, so you are kind of stuck aren't you? I suggested inexpensive options, and you can have the shirts slimmed down by a tailor when you shed some pounds. You could also buy fewer shirts. I am sure you have some suitable shirts already, so just buy 4-5 new ones and plan on more frequent trips to the cleaners.
post #29 of 31
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But you need shirts now, so you are kind of stuck aren't you? I suggested inexpensive options, and you can have the shirts slimmed down by a tailor when you shed some pounds. You could also buy fewer shirts. I am sure you have some suitable shirts already, so just buy 4-5 new ones and plan on more frequent trips to the cleaners.

 

Yeah, I start my job in about 3 weeks. I suppose $200 isn't too much to spend on 4 throw away shirts. I do have one white shirt that should still fit me. 

post #30 of 31
Go to JC Penneys, take a look at the Staffords. $20 a pop, you will not find a better quality shirt for under $50.
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