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post #16 of 30
'Corporate greed' misses the point. These brands are (by and large) part of publicly listed companies, aiming to maximise shareholder returns; they are not charities. They will price products in line with consumers' willingness to pay - not on the basis of cost. That's just life. Where they do run into trouble is when they take short-term actions around sourcing which can have detrimental long-term effect on equity and sales

As for grocery - I don't know where you get your numbers, but most Grocers I know make relatively low margins (3-6% operating profit). Hardly extortionate...
post #17 of 30
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Hell even my house and everything and everyone around me seems to be made in China.

Was that a slightly negative remark on the PRC?

RUH ROH golden shield (Chinese internet police, yes its real) is going to break into your house and beat you with the but of a QBZ-95 and make you disappear faster than ai weiwei did
post #18 of 30
But but but.... the Chinese internet police are our friends...they're here to help us...honest.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingjing_and_Chacha
post #19 of 30
I heard that if you visit a "harmful sight to the health of the PRC" that little guy pops up and says something through the computer while the website 404's

that true?

have a few friends studying international relations and bitch when they try to reach yale law websites or try to go on facebook on certain days
post #20 of 30
Every step of the process makes about 50% sometimes more, the same thing goes for furniture.

When a clothing shop puts things on 50% sale they still make money on the product.
post #21 of 30
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I heard that if you visit a "harmful sight to the health of the PRC" that little guy pops up and says something through the computer while the website 404's
that true?

Yeh there can be popups on Chinese computers, if one visits the wrong websites or types the wrong things into search, e.g. Falun Gong, Tienanmen massacre, human rights, Tibet independence, etc. Sites will often 404 or "this webpage cannot be displayed". The CPC originally wanted to install something called Green Dam Youth Escort onto all computers here, a spying, monitoring and censoring program. Tencent QQ the most popular IM program in China, does monitoring and censoring, Most users have it on their computers.
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have a few friends studying international relations and bitch when they try to reach yale law websites or try to go on facebook on certain days

There's many sites that are blocked and censored, Facebook, Youtube, Blogger, Twitter, Wordpress, BBC China, Amnesty International, to name a few. Which are completely inaccessible, unless one uses a secure VPN or proxy, which is what I use, Plus I am using my own computer with my own software.
post #22 of 30
Apart from some 2008 LA Times report, is there any actual proof that luxury companies are having their products made in China?
post #23 of 30

It is the how the world of business works now. And I don't think they're going to stop this anytime soon, it could at least be regulated somehow.

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There's many sites that are blocked and censored, Facebook, Youtube, Blogger, Twitter, Wordpress, BBC China, Amnesty International, to name a few. Which are completely inaccessible, unless one uses a secure VPN or proxy, which is what I use, Plus I am using my own computer with my own software.

 

Off-topic, but I'm curious: do they actually try to crack down on people using VPNs/proxies? Esp. foreigners?

post #25 of 30
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Apart from some 2008 LA Times report, is there any actual proof that luxury companies are having their products made in China?

name a luxury product.

alot of rag and bone stuff is made in china (even says on label)

uhh most LVMH (louis vuitton and they own dior) have factories in china

alot of thomas pink is made there or other countries other than england (turkey etc)

burberry trenchcoats are made in china

SOME non cashmere loro piana stuff is made in china
post #26 of 30
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Stugotes View Post

Apart from some 2008 LA Times report, is there any actual proof that luxury companies are having their products made in China?

name a luxury product.

alot of rag and bone stuff is made in china (even says on label)

uhh most LVMH (louis vuitton and they own dior) have factories in china

alot of thomas pink is made there or other countries other than england (turkey etc)

burberry trenchcoats are made in china

SOME non cashmere loro piana stuff is made in china


I think the only things made entirely in France from LV are the suitcases and custom stuff. I actually wonder what percentage of the goods of LV are made in China.

I also read an article on how Louis Vuitton would only make a couple hundred bags a day and each person in the factory in France had a specialty so it took a awhile for the bag to be made but each person was a specialty craftsman with a lot of specialized skill.

Ever since the demand grew Bernard restructured the entire manufacturing process to meet demand and produce several thousand bags a day.

I wish their was more transparency and regulation on how luxury goods are made. Also it would be an awesome documentary if someone managed to get into the LV china factory to expose where and under what conditions the bags are actually made in.
post #27 of 30
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Originally Posted by 951socal View Post

name a luxury product.
alot of rag and bone stuff is made in china (even says on label)
uhh most LVMH (louis vuitton and they own dior) have factories in china
alot of thomas pink is made there or other countries other than england (turkey etc)
burberry trenchcoats are made in china

I'm sure most of the Burberry stuff is made in China, except probably their high-end Prorsum line.
post #28 of 30
Thread Starter 
It's funny how in this article about LV it says 11 out of 13 manufacturing facilities are in France with the other 2 being in Spain. It's like they are totally lying

independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/the-louis-vuitton-money-machine-6172675.html
post #29 of 30
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Off-topic, but I'm curious: do they actually try to crack down on people using VPNs/proxies? Esp. foreigners?

I don't think they do actually, I've never had any problem with using proxies and I don't know anyone else who has. As a foreigner here, I try not to do anything that's going to attract the attention of the Internet police and other agents. Many foreigners are here on business with Chinese companies, they probably know that they need access to Facebook, Google, Twitter, etc, in order to conduct their business. Which is worth billions to the Chinese economy.

Sure I read somewhere that the Golden Shield, aka Great FireWall of China, is really intended as a deterrent, just to make it difficult but not impossible to bypass. Where the Internet police really do clamp down heavily though is on Chinese blogs and websites. Anything considered harmful to the PRC is quickly deleted and people do get arrested, beaten with a QBZ, dragged off to a laogai, etc.

BTW China has a special version of Skype, that is censored and monitored. If one tries to download the regular international version from skype.com, it gets redirected to skype.tom.com, which distributes the special PRC edition of Skype.
Edited by MikeDT - 4/27/12 at 8:01pm
post #30 of 30
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It's funny how in this article about LV it says 11 out of 13 manufacturing facilities are in France with the other 2 being in Spain. It's like they are totally lying
independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/the-louis-vuitton-money-machine-6172675.html

its not a lie

like say i had 5 houses

and i told you i have 3 houses 2 in france and 1 in spain

you don't know about 2 of them, and i didn't specifically say that i DO NOT OWN them
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