Originally Posted by thelonius
And I'm sick of reading exagerated rubbish
like this: "Only with high end RTW shoes...where the shoes in question may not be worn more than once a month and then in only the most controlled situations where wet, dirt, constant flexion are carefully monitored, and repair, short of complete replacement of all critical components...is the see-no-evil model of quality accepted."
Well, that characterization is just your opinion and one that, in my opinion, is not honest, simply because it is not examined.
What in the world do you think happens when you send a GY shoe back to the factory for "re-crafting?"
The outsole is replaced. The welt is replaced. The gemming is replaced. The insole is replaced (in most cases, it nearly has to be)--all critical components, all structural components. And done only in conjunction with the original last.
An ordinary shoe repairman cannot do much with a shoe that has massive, or even somewhat less than massive but nonetheless critical, gemming failure. Not without some alteration / distortion of the fit and shape of the shoe.
Yet an ordinary shoe repairman can easily replace the welt and and outsole on a hand-welted shoe. No gemming to be replaced, and the insole is good for another 40,000 with
the footbed intact.
You are one person...and yes, I acknowledge that there are any number of people who have had similar experiences here, but most tend to "baby" their "high-end" brand cachet shoes (even if you don't). And who can blame them when they are paying nearly bespoke prices?
And as a result your experiences exist in a "statistical" vacuum.
I've seen the insides of literally thousands of shoes. That's the control group. You've seen...how many?...One? You don't know
that the shoes you are wearing right now do not have gemming failure. You say they don't. But that's just wishful thinking--what you really mean is you hope
they don't ...even if only for the sake of argument. But you don't know
and no one will know short of pulling the stabilizing
outsole off and revealing what is underneath.
The first photograph above ...a high end pair of RTW English made Northampton shoes...the owner was astonished, and angry
at me for informing him that the gemming was slipping.
And I determined that with a quick glance--the kind of cursory examination that he himself could have performed. Maybe did perform. But he didn't know what he was looking at and, like many here, he didn't want to know
As they say, "There are none so blind as those who will not
see." Flies in their eyes.
--Edited by DWFII - 11/20/13 at 1:47pm