How close to the end of the shoe should your toes be on these? The pair I have fit rather tight, though I'm not sure if I need a wider shoe, a bigger size, or just some patience and luck for these to stretch appropriately.
I have a 9D in the olive beefroll loafer from Lands End and wear a 10E in Allen Edmonds, 9.5D in Wolverine 1000 mile, and a 10EE in (modern) Red Wing boots. I also have a pair of top siders in 10.5W but they are too long, I don't want this to happen again.
thanks!
here is a pic with me sticking my big toes up, you can sort of see where my foot ends.

Edited by digga - 9/8/12 at 1:43pm