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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post

I had some scary dreams last night.

yeah man, you were tossing and turning all night.
post #48077 of 67904
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

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that makes me want to punch them in the face when they do that.

It really is obnoxious.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I know this is a sign of what a twisted person I am but I actually like negotiating car deals. Friends often have me negotiate their deals for them.

To be honest, I kind of like the negotiation part, too. There's something empowering about knowing they need to sell more than you need to buy. It's especially fun because I work with numbers for a living, so I'm not inclined to fall for the little twists and tricks with the math. The part that's miserable to me is everything before that, especially when you're looking for a type of car, rather than a model. You have to navigate enormous amounts of bullshit just to get to the numbers, and that's miserable to me.
post #48078 of 67904
I think you should narrow it down for them. If not a specific car, at least have an idea of what you are going to look at when you go to each dealer. When you go into a dealer with a set of parameters, salesmen see that as a license to sell you whatever the fuck they want (i.e. the highest margin car on the lot) because they think they can get you to bend on the parameters a bit
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

I think you should narrow it down for them. If not a specific car, at least have an idea of what you are going to look at when you go to each dealer. When you go into a dealer with a set of parameters, salesmen see that as a license to sell you whatever the fuck they want (i.e. the highest margin car on the lot) because they think they can get you to bend on the parameters a bit

I do. There's no ambiguity when we start talking. I'm very clear on what we need, want, and don't care about. The problem is that, when they don't have that, they start going, "well, this is sort of what you want. Let's give it a try." We end up going through this whole rigmarole only to end up confirming that, indeed, I knew what I was talking about when I walked on the lot, and now we've wasted half an afternoon on a car that we knew wouldn't work in the first place.

The biggest issue is price. When they don't have what I want, we get into the whole deal where they try to sell you more car for more money. Sometimes this is fine. It's exactly what happened when we bought the missus' SUV, and we got a great deal on a car that has served us perfectly. However, when I'm just trying to find an econobox we'll drive to work for a couple/few years until we get better settled, I'm not looking to move up for a better deal.
post #48080 of 67904
i was talking to a fellow SFer the other day who worked as a used car salesman for a time. he did not have good things to say at all about it.
post #48081 of 67904
My point is, if you go to a Nissan dealership and say you are interested in the Sentra, you'll get less of this bullshit than if you went in and asked for something that has xx fuel economy, is yellow, and has a manual transmission (or whatever you are looking for). I realize that any idiot can probably understand the parameters you are laying out, but these are car salesmen you are talking about. My apologies if I am misunderstanding your situation
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post

I do. There's no ambiguity when we start talking. I'm very clear on what we need, want, and don't care about. The problem is that, when they don't have that, they start going, "well, this is sort of what you want. Let's give it a try." We end up going through this whole rigmarole only to end up confirming that, indeed, I knew what I was talking about when I walked on the lot, and now we've wasted half an afternoon on a car that we knew wouldn't work in the first place.

The biggest issue is price. When they don't have what I want, we get into the whole deal where they try to sell you more car for more money. Sometimes this is fine. It's exactly what happened when we bought the missus' SUV, and we got a great deal on a car that has served us perfectly. However, when I'm just trying to find an econobox we'll drive to work for a couple/few years until we get better settled, I'm not looking to move up for a better deal.

I mean...do you have a list of models? I can't imagine there are more than one or two models per manufacturer that fit your parameters.

In that case, can't you just walk into a VW dealer and say, "Hi, I'd like a golf or a jetta..." and then walk into the Honda dealer across the street and say "Hey, what can you do for me on a Civic or a Fit". If neither of those places work, hit up Nissan and say "Show me your Sentras and Versas". If you know the exact couple of models you are interested in, then the salesman has nothing else to show you ("You don't have it? Thanks anyway")

FWIW, I've rented a recent Versa and was pleasantly surprised. Its cheaper than any of those other models I listed, drove well, and was incredibly spacious. The only problem is that the 2 base models of the sedan don't have 60/40 folding rear seats. I rented it to go to a bike race, so this meant I had to take the wheels off (otherwise it would have just fit with the 60% seat folded down)...but when I slid the front seats forward, there was a HUGE amount of space in the back to sit around/change clothes/hang out (it was a very rainy race weekend).

I've always thought econoboxes worked better in hatchback form though...and the base model versa hatchback has the folding seats (although I don't know how much else changes from the sedan, maybe it is too small). I'm always amazed at how much stuff my mom has hauled in her VW golfs over the years...fold down one or both of the seats and you have room for tons of dirt/woodchips/gardening stuff as well as everything a family of 3 might need on a 2-week vacation (including a windsurfer and a bicycle).
post #48083 of 67904
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

i was talking to a fellow SFer the other day who worked as a used car salesman for a time. he did not have good things to say at all about it.

Honestly, there's a little part of me that feels bad for them. I mean, what a shitty job. Not only does the work itself suck - customer service, tons of pressure, horrible hours, etc. - but you're in one of a handful of "professions" that is universally reviled. I know they exist, but I can't think of any job offhand that is met with the same level of uniform contempt as car salesman.

Of course, it is a really little part that feels bad, given they are some of worst people in the world. But, still, imagine going to that job six or seven days a week.
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

My point is, if you go to a Nissan dealership and say you are interested in the Sentra, you'll get less of this bullshit than if you went in and asked for something that has xx fuel economy, is yellow, and has a manual transmission (or whatever you are looking for). I realize that any idiot can probably understand the parameters you are laying out, but these are car salesmen you are talking about. My apologies if I am misunderstanding your situation
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

I mean...do you have a list of models? I can't imagine there are more than one or two models per manufacturer that fit your parameters.

In that case, can't you just walk into a VW dealer and say, "Hi, I'd like a golf or a jetta..." and then walk into the Honda dealer across the street and say "Hey, what can you do for me on a Civic or a Fit". If neither of those places work, hit up Nissan and say "Show me your Sentras and Versas". If you know the exact couple of models you are interested in, then the salesman has nothing else to show you ("You don't have it? Thanks anyway")

FWIW, I've rented a recent Versa and was pleasantly surprised. Its cheaper than any of those other models I listed, drove well, and was incredibly spacious. The only problem is that the 2 base models of the sedan don't have 60/40 folding rear seats. I rented it to go to a bike race, so this meant I had to take the wheels off (otherwise it would have just fit with the 60% seat folded down)...but when I slid the front seats forward, there was a HUGE amount of space in the back to sit around/change clothes/hang out (it was a very rainy race weekend).

I've always thought econoboxes worked better in hatchback form though...and the base model versa hatchback has the folding seats (although I don't know how much else changes from the sedan, maybe it is too small). I'm always amazed at how much stuff my mom has hauled in her VW golfs over the years...fold down one or both of the seats and you have room for tons of dirt/woodchips/gardening stuff as well as everything a family of 3 might need on a 2-week vacation (including a windsurfer and a bicycle).

I see what you guys are saying, but the problem is that we really don't have a specific model in mind. We're not focused on that. With few exceptions, I'm not picky about any of it. It's the features of the car that matter. I guess I just figure these guys have one job, and that's to find me a car. "Econobox with four doors for around $xx,xxx" should be enough information for them to know whether or not they have something workable, but perhaps I'm giving them too much credit.

For what it's worth, I have tried to provide some guidance on models we like, so there have been some grounds for comparison. I haven't been pushing too hard with that, mostly because this is a class of cars about which I know very little and don't want to rule something out out of ignorance, but maybe I need to be more assertive with models we've seen that could work.

The Versa really is a decent little car. It's actually one of the few I cite as possibilities when we go out looking. I've driven one a couple of times, and, like otc, I was pleasantly surprised. That type of thing is pretty much exactly what we hope to find - inexpensive, great gas mileage, and reliable enough to not cost much on maintenance for the couple/few years we'll own it.
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post

Honestly, there's a little part of me that feels bad for them. I mean, what a shitty job. Not only does the work itself suck - customer service, tons of pressure, horrible hours, etc. - but you're in one of a handful of "professions" that is universally reviled. I know they exist, but I can't think of any job offhand that is met with the same level of uniform contempt as car salesman.

Congress/Senate
post #48085 of 67904
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post

Honestly, there's a little part of me that feels bad for them. I mean, what a shitty job. Not only does the work itself suck - customer service, tons of pressure, horrible hours, etc. - but you're in one of a handful of "professions" that is universally reviled. I know they exist, but I can't think of any job offhand that is met with the same level of uniform contempt as car salesman.
Of course, it is a really little part that feels bad, given they are some of worst people in the world. But, still, imagine going to that job six or seven days a week.

what he said that was extra sucky was that not only are the people out there screwing the customers, but that they are constantly screwing over their co-workers as well. sounded like an almost impossible place to work unless you are a super high level *insert adjective of your liking*.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Congress/Senate

Nah, its still cool when the senator visits your local elementary school.

Ever see little kids get excited when Tommy from Bob's Auto World is coming for a visit?
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not to mention the prostitutes.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Congress/Senate

Even at their worst, they still run around 5% approval. I wonder if I could find five in 100 people who like car salesmen.
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

what he said that was extra sucky was that not only are the people out there screwing the customers, but that they are constantly screwing over their co-workers as well. sounded like an almost impossible place to work unless you are a super high level *insert adjective of your liking*.

I believe it. For context, I found a decent car on a website for a local dealer, so I submitted an online form to request more information. Within a short while I received two emails (within one minute of each other), and a phone call from that dealership, all of which came from different salespeople. The phone call came first, then the emails, and they were all introductory, "let me help you find your next car" communication, which means they were basically trying to poach each other.
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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post

I had some scary dreams last night.

So I just noticed that the book I was reading last night when I fell asleep had about five pages ripped out of it. I'm wondering if I did it in my sleep.

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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post

So I just noticed that the book I was reading last night when I fell asleep had about five pages ripped out of it. I'm wondering if I did it in my sleep.
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were they about the uses of concrete in architectural window design?
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