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Originally Posted by L'Incandescent View Post

^^ Yeah, I guessed something like that might be the case. In philosophy (which is what I teach), that doesn't work. But I've heard similar stories about business and econ classes, among others.
Yeah. I used to be a history, English and economics major (I still love history and English), and I never missed any classes. I could never understand how people could justify absences to themselves. Now I can't understand kids who do go to class. I don't know. I needed something that was grounded in reality, though. I had this realization that everything that I was writing and thinking was absolutely bullshit, so I wrote a ridiculous paper that made ridiculous claims about the novel that we had been assigned to read. The prof loved and thought it was a wonderful exercise in creativity or whatever, so I dropped those two majors.
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post

Would you Wife it
Potentially Vaguely Racist Observations
Manton's courtship advice thread

those are solid,

the WDWV had a moment but the rest are bad.

I'm tempted to believe the truth of this post, if only because you left out your own "Edina's Daily Best of the Internet Thread".
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Originally Posted by riotior View Post

Econ math classes are different. I took two this semester. On the first day of class, both professors said that they did not care how frequently students attend class or even how hard we tried (both said that our performance would be less of a function of effort and much more of a function of natural ability - these classes are pretty hard), and that our grade would be based entirely on how much economics we were able to learn in relation to our classmates. A fairly substantial number of students necessarily get D's or F's, and the only reason to attend class is if you think that it would help your grade. I go to a very very competitive school, especially for finance recruiting.

Those professors sound like dicks. I too went to a "very very competitive school" for economics and I would probably consider switching sections or taking a different class if that's what they said on the first day of an econ class.

Whats the point of taking the class if its all about "natural ability"? Are they saying that they are worthless teachers and that they can't help anyone who doesn't figure it out immediately on their own? Obviously you will have trouble if you don't have the prerequisites down, but I am pretty skeptical of the notion that success in any undergraduate class comes down to a question of natural ability. If you have succeeded thus far, are willing to put in the effort, and have a halfway decent professor, you should be just fine.
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Those professors sound like dicks. I too went to a "very very competitive school" for economics and I would probably consider switching sections or taking a different class if that's what they said on the first day of an econ class.

Whats the point of taking the class if its all about "natural ability"? Are they saying that they are worthless teachers and that they can't help anyone who doesn't figure it out immediately on their own? Obviously you will have trouble if you don't have the prerequisites down, but I am pretty skeptical of the notion that success in any undergraduate class comes down to a question of natural ability. If you have succeeded thus far, are willing to put in the effort, and have a halfway decent professor, you should be just fine.

Agreed. Functionally, they could make the same point by substituting "test performance" for "natural ability". Their choice of words really just reflects their need to believe that only somebody super-smart can understand the field they toil in, and thus the fact that they understand and teach it proves they are super-super-smart. As opposed, say, to being hacks who couldn't make it in the real world.

^Not reflective of my opinions of teachers and academics generally -- only my baseline presumption about ones who say stupid **** like that.
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I thought the same thing. It is incredibly frustrating -- even more so to be consistently failing every class every semester until final grades come out, only to find that I ended up having a very high grade. They intentionally do not tell you where you stand -- I could have very easily failed, and had to operate under the assumption that if I didn't do flawlessly on the next exam, I'd fail. Seriously, unbelievably stressful.

At one point during one of my pure math courses, the professor said: "this part of the semester is always sad, because there are always students who are unable to comprehend working in these dimensions, and it forces them to acknowledge that they are not as intelligent as their peers."

There are also courses that you can only take if you apply (resume and cover letter both required). The instructor then interviews you and checks references. I got into one of them, but something like 200 apply and 15 are chosen. The class was very interesting and was essentially designed to connect us with high level Wall Street execs, but it was still a huge turn off.
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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post

School is such a solitary, self-interested pursuit.

 

I pondered this thought a lot in college too but... I ended up finishing with a decent gpa... while serving in the National Guard... and deploying in between my jr and senior years.

 

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Whats the point of taking the class if its all about "natural ability"? Are they saying that they are worthless teachers and that they can't help anyone who doesn't figure it out immediately on their own?

I often wonder what certain professors think they're being paid to do. This applies also to professors who organize their courses completely around student discussion or who assign a shitload of reading that they never bother to cover in class.

It's often said that students nowadays are paying good money for these courses, and so they deserve professors who are competent and who are committed to their students' education. But even if they were paying $100 per semester, they deserve committed professors. This is the kind of thing I can become angry about if I spend too much time thinking about it.
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I believe a lot of professors are begrudgingly teaching because they're required to by the university when, really, they're solely interested in doing research.
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

I believe a lot of professors are begrudgingly teaching because they're required to by the university when, really, they're solely interested in doing research.

There is definitely some truth in that. I am one of those professors who love doing research; it's my favorite part of the job. I know what it's like to feel frustrated at not having enough time to do the work I want to be doing. Nonetheless, I also have a responsibility to the students I teach, and I take that very seriously. Part of being a grownup is recognizing that you don't always get to do exactly what you'd like to be doing.
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Originally Posted by L'Incandescent View Post

There is definitely some truth in that. I am one of those professors who love doing research; it's my favorite part of the job. I know what it's like to feel frustrated at not having enough time to do the work I want to be doing. Nonetheless, I also have a responsibility to the students I teach, and I take that very seriously. Part of being a grownup is recognizing that you don't always get to do exactly what you'd like to be doing.
What kind of research do you in philosophy? That's very interesting.

PS I used to be very interested in studying philosophy when I was ~16 (inspired by spending several years reading Ulysses cover to cover on repeat) and found it to be too challenging to learn on my own, so I abandoned it. I think I tried to read Spinoza's most famous book (can't remember which one) and wasn't able to take anything away from it, despite having been fascinated with the ideas that I'd read about it being about. I loved Bertrand Russell's History of Western Philosophy, though.
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Fuck USPS they have had my Howard Yount parcel ( new argyles and I want my socks ) sitting at depot in Queens since the 27/4 fucking worse than AP. cloud.gif
Edited by Geoffrey Firmin - 5/2/13 at 8:29pm
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Nobody or no thing should have to spend that much time in Queens.

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Sorry, more university stuff; it's finals week, so there's lots of activity, some of which is bound to be annoying.

Students often try to influence my grading by telling me how much they hope to get a certain grade. Well, now I'm dealing with a student who keeps sending me drafts of his final paper because he wants it to be good enough to get an A. That's not bad in itself. The problem is that the drafts that I'm getting aren't within a country mile of an A. As it stands, the paper is probably a D. I seriously doubt he'll be able to make enough improvements to get it to an A. If past experience is any guide, I will be getting an angry e-mail next week.
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L'inc, do you have a chili pepper beside your name on Rate my professor? If not, you should
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L'inc, do you have a chili pepper beside your name on Rate my professor? If not, you should

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