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2/22/13 at 6:58pm

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2/22/13 at 7:05pm
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I took Genevieve out for a walk today. Wouldn't you know it, a pretty lady comes up and asks "What's your name, little kitty?" Genevieve said "I am called Cat of Crud!" The pretty lady looked at me with contempt and said "How could you name your cat such a disparaging name as that? You're a man of crud, if my opinion has any truth to it."

Turned out Genevieve thought the pretty lady might be flirting with me and wanted to give her a bad impression of me.

will you by my group's new Dungeon Master?
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post #43248 of 48055
2/22/13 at 7:09pm
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will you by my group's new Dungeon Master?

I straight up don't get that at all, even after following the link. Nonetheless, it made me laugh quite a bit.
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post #43249 of 48055
2/22/13 at 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by L'Incandescent View Post

I took Genevieve out for a walk today. Wouldn't you know it, a pretty lady comes up and asks "What's your name, little kitty?" Genevieve said "I am called Cat of Crud!" The pretty lady looked at me with contempt and said "How could you name your cat such a disparaging name as that? You're a man of crud, if my opinion has any truth to it."

Turned out Genevieve thought the pretty lady might be flirting with me and wanted to give her a bad impression of me.

Double you tee eff Genevieve? Not cool.
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post #43250 of 48055
2/22/13 at 8:36pm
Is it even possible to hot wire a car anymore? Fucking computers. Goddammit I used to be really good at that.
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post #43251 of 48055
2/23/13 at 4:48am
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

You are talking about a different kind of compression. This kind shrinks file size, the kind I am talking about compresses the sine wave then boosts it so everything sounds really loud and at the same volume.

Earbuds are just one reason for the problem, but I never intended to suggest they were the only reason. Its just a physical representation of compression that I can chuck some hate at and it happened to come up here.

The compression problem has developed for a lot of reasons: music streaming, the MP3 type formats, the iPod, 5 and 7.1 and yes, earbuds are a few. The decline of 2 channel audio in a living room properly setup in favor or portability forced terrible modifications to recording. I spoke to an engineer once and he feels like he's committing a crime when he is forced to compress the signal so its loud as hell and has no dynamics. And then they ask him to do some more. Its like a competition to see whose song can play the loudest.

Earbuds have really bad frequency response and generally sounds like absolute shit. To get an earbud to sound passable you need to make every instrument/sound play at the same volume. Try listening to an un-modified 60's folk song thru earbuds compared to the latest pop band, its volume is so low it sounds like its on mute.

Here's an interview that explains the dynamic:

http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/in_the_studio_bob_ludwig_on_mastering_for_earbuds/

Amplitude is independent of frequency. Compressing a sinusoidal wave changes the frequency which changes pretty much the entire representation of the sound. When you say 'boost' it refers to a change in the amplitude, which, as I said, has nothing to do with the frequency.

You don't understand a thing you're saying. Might be best to stop.
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2/23/13 at 6:20am
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Try listening to an un-modified 60's folk song thru earbuds compared to the latest pop band, its volume is so low it sounds like its on mute.
This makes no sense at all as an argument against IEMs. Just crank the volume up... this has nothing to do with IEMs, especially since IEMs offer great isolation -- often better than mid/high-end closed headphones -- so you can actually hear more details since it doesn't have to compete against noisy surroundings.
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post #43253 of 48055
2/23/13 at 6:22am
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Originally Posted by b1os View Post

This makes no sense at all as an argument against IEMs. Just crank the volume up... this has nothing to do with IEMs, especially since IEMs offer great isolation -- often better than mid/high-end closed headphones -- so you can actually hear more details since it doesn't have to compete against noisy surroundings.

We might be better taking this to the audiophile thread, but in brief:

I know in ear monitors are not the same as earbuds, but you're not going to convince me that they don't have some of the same fundamental flaws as earbuds and headphones do.

Note, I have a nice pair of headphones and use them all the time, so I'm not a hater of the technology, just the knock on it has to shit recordings per the Nirvana track below. They are good for convenience, but I'd never pick them over a well setup room.

The 2 major flaws with in ear/headphones IMO are soundstaging and the feel of bass. In a room with real speakers you feel the music waves, with headphones you just hear it. Big difference for me.
Edited by idfnl - 2/23/13 at 6:34am
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2/23/13 at 6:32am
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Amplitude is independent of frequency. Compressing a sinusoidal wave changes the frequency which changes pretty much the entire representation of the sound. When you say 'boost' it refers to a change in the amplitude, which, as I said, has nothing to do with the frequency.


You don't understand a thing you're saying. Might be best to stop.


No, man.

Frequency is cycles/given time period. If you change the frequency you change the representation of the sound, for example the chipmunking effect. I never mentioned the frequency, so I don't really know what you're on about.

Compressing the wave is a way to modify its amplitude. Compressing the wave does not change it's frequency so you're dead wrong.


To prove my point, this is a demonstration of an analog compressor's use in a recording studio. When he performs the compression/boost the frequency does not change:




If you look again here, when he performs the compression/boost the frequency does not change:




And this Nirvana comparison highlights why the loudness wars are so bad:

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post #43255 of 48055
2/23/13 at 6:39am
No doubt that a well set up room sounds better than most IEMs and headphones, but you have to sacrifice something for portability. There's nothing you can do about the basswaves. I'm quite happy with the soundstage of my IEMs, given portability.
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post #43256 of 48055
2/23/13 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by b1os View Post

No doubt that a well set up room sounds better than most IEMs and headphones, but you have to sacrifice something for portability. There's nothing you can do about the basswaves. I'm quite happy with the soundstage of my IEMs, given portability.

Exactly. I mean the vast majority of music is listened to on the go. Why is that a problem?
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post #43257 of 48055
2/23/13 at 7:21am
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Exactly. I mean the vast majority of music is listened to on the go. Why is that a problem?

I almost never listen to music on the go, I guess its not a problem so much as lifestyle choice. The problem comes in with recordings being tuned to sound ok thru garbage systems. When you play a heavily compressed recording thru a quality reference system its shocking how thin and flat it is.

I don't know what kind of background in audio you have, but I've been an audiophile for 25 years so my ears are tuned to good sounding hi-fi. Portable music sounds like shit to me, and so that tinny sound becomes more of an annoyance than a nice experience.

To b1os's point, you do sacrifice a lot but its more systematic which is really where I'm bothered.
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post #43258 of 48055
2/23/13 at 7:24am
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

I almost never listen to music on the go, I guess its not a problem so much as lifestyle choice. The problem comes in with recordings being tuned to sound ok thru garbage systems. When you play a heavily compressed recording thru a quality reference system its shocking how thin and flat it is.

I don't know what kind of background in audio you have, but I've been an audiophile for 25 years so my ears are tuned to good sounding hi-fi. Portable music sounds like shit to me, and so that tinny sound becomes more of an annoyance than a nice experience.

To b1os's point, you do sacrifice a lot but its more systematic which is really where I'm bothered.

You don't have a car?

Don't make this about my audiophile credentials.
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post #43259 of 48055
2/23/13 at 7:46am
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You don't have a car?

Yes, but I don't usually listen to music in the car, I usually listen to talk and news, CNBC, Stern, etc.
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post #43260 of 48055
2/23/13 at 8:01am
Hangover headaches are the worst!

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