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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

I hadn't invoked Marx and I tried to cite older modes of thinking of work as shitty (aristocratic, Christian contemplative). But now that the specter of Marx has reappeared, might as well make it explicit that what we're talking about is alienated labor. At his (most appealing but also weakest) moments of utopian optimism, Marx thought that after the imminent revolution, we could lead lives of unalienated labor (do work that we would find meaningful rather than simply mediated by capital). What's also remarkable in GreenFrog's banality or FindFinn's venality is that they want unalienated labor too. Except they can't even imagine a form of work/meaning outside of late capitalist/corporate modes (CEO, venture capitalism). Even/especially the fantastical scenario of being a multi-millionaire reveals an inability to imagine a social configuration that might foster different forms of content for life & activity.

I think if more people actually read The Communist Manifesto or understood that it was a sociological tract, they'd realize it is entirely unoffensive and still correct to this day.
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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

I hadn't invoked Marx and I tried to cite older modes of thinking of work as shitty (aristocratic, Christian contemplative). But now that the specter of Marx has reappeared, might as well make it explicit that what we're talking about is alienated labor. At his (most appealing but also weakest) moments of utopian optimism, Marx thought that after the imminent revolution, we could lead lives of unalienated labor (do work that we would find meaningful rather than simply mediated by capital). What's also remarkable in GreenFrog's banality or FindFinn's venality is that they want unalienated labor too. Except they can't even imagine a form of work/meaning outside of late capitalist/corporate modes (CEO, venture capitalism). Even/especially the fantastical scenario of being a multi-millionaire reveals an inability to imagine a social configuration that might foster different forms of content for life & activity.


I can imagine doing other things and being content.  I just think I would find more contentment or happiness from "doing something productive."  I enjoyed school, but if  I didn't have an outlet to apply what I learned, I would be frustrated.

 

I actually think Finn's idea is a good one, and something I would enjoy too.  While you may consider it the vision of a corporate drone, people spend their lives going to third world countries and teaching the people there valuable skills or a variety of other things, and I wouldn't consider that drone behavior.  Helping people get loans or whatever to accomplish those same goals isn't that far off.

Then again, I'm probably just an unimaginative corporate drone.

post #82144 of 85684
I'm subscribed to the financial independence subreddit and I like to read how people live their lives after achieving said independence.

Granted, these people aren't fuck you I can retire and live lavishly rich. They just have enough of a nest egg to live a comfortable life off of a 4% drawdown rate on their investments. That said, the range here is quite wide, but most I've seen aim to live off of less than $100k a year, if not significantly less.

They all say that the first couple of months are exhilarating. So much time. So much freedom to pursue hobbies. No obligations or professional commitments.

But after so many months, I'd say the majority of them pursue some other productive venture where they are required to add some structure and schedule to their lives and are ultimately held accountable for some goal.

Is this surprising to me? Absolutely not. If you're the type of person who sets out on a mission of achieving financial independence before retirement, you're most likely a driven, goal oriented person.

Look at the serial entrepreneurs, even. They go on to start multiple companies after successful exits. Look at that older guy Piob knows who's rich as fuck but still works. It's not an uncommon phenomenon at all.

eric's philosophical readings are interesting, but I'm not sure how one could apply them to the world we currently live in.
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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

What's also remarkable in GreenFrog's banality or FindFinn's venality is that they want unalienated labor too. Except they can't even imagine a form of work/meaning outside of late capitalist/corporate modes (CEO, venture capitalism). Even/especially the fantastical scenario of being a multi-millionaire reveals an inability to imagine a social configuration that might foster different forms of content for life & activity.

I enjoy starting new businesses and seeing them grow, so for me it's not work and he said rich, but not PJ rich. Which for anyone who is self-employed means you are not there yet. Doing VC in growth markets essentially means that you could become part owner of the African Wallmart, Lego and facebook and go from being fuck you rich to being fuck you Warren Buffet you pleb rich.

At that point I would able to sit back collect art, cars and watch, daily a 250GTO and have passive income rolling for the next couple of generations to live of.
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what's with you and lego anyway?

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I'd get a PhD in philosophy, make music, learn a few languages, found an NGO, and travel extensively (especially as the kids got older and could benefit from the experience).
post #82148 of 85684
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what's with you and lego anyway?

Like any other sane person I love it. Also it's Danish like pastry and my passport.
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I'd get a PhD in philosophy, make music, learn a few languages, found an NGO, and travel extensively (especially as the kids got older and could benefit from the experience).

I'd get treated for all the VDs your mom gave me.
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If I had enough money to be comfortable/rich on my own:
- try to finish my goddamn second academic book and make it as decent as possible
- maybe pursue one of the handful of ideas I've had for a novel (probably not)
- try to get jacked or at least work up an impressive dad bod
- eat and drink well; travel around to do so
- think about working on a popular-scholarly website project I've concocted in my head

If I had a little more money than that:
- do everything above but plan an annual all-expenses paid vacation for twenty or so of my closest friends, with locations varying all around the world

If I had a lot more money than that:
- start a commune somewhere kind of remote but somewhat close to a decent, medium sized city
- invite all my underemployed (or employed and unhappy) academic friends
- see if the commune develops into a vibrant academic hub and/or a drunken fucking mess
- hire an army of hookers to keep infecting edina with STDs
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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

If I had enough money to be comfortable/rich on my own:
- try to finish my goddamn second academic book and make it as decent as possible
- maybe pursue one of the handful of ideas I've had for a novel (probably not)
- try to get jacked or at least work up an impressive dad bod
- eat and drink well; travel around to do so
- think about working on a popular-scholarly website project I've concocted in my head

If I had a little more money than that:
- do everything above but plan an annual all-expenses paid vacation for twenty or so of my closest friends, with locations varying all around the world

If I had a lot more money than that:
- start a commune somewhere kind of remote but somewhat close to a decent, medium sized city
- invite all my underemployed (or employed and unhappy) academic friends
- see if the commune develops into a vibrant academic hub and/or a drunken fucking mess
- hire an army of hookers to keep infecting edina with STDs

Phail. Your plan depends on edina being able to close.
post #82152 of 85684
Pissed off that airport stalking Van Veen just got a lot less interesting.
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Phail. Your plan depends on edina being able to close.

I'd arm them with super soakers full of STD juice
post #82154 of 85684
Not trying to start a Sibble War here, but sometimes the actions of dog owners get me to condition of SMH. I was in the waiting area at the vet with Diderik when a dog owner sits down near me she's like "We'll just sit wherever Baxta wants to go hehehe we'll let him decide!!!" Of course Baxta wants to sit next to Diderik. And of course Diderik does not like this, because you know he is a cat. The dog owner was completely oblivious to this. This has happened somewhat frequently when I've taken my cats to the vet. I wish dog owners could get it in to their noggins that cats are afraid of their dogs, no matter how friendly their dogs might be.
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I'd arm them with super soakers full of STD juice

Fuck, the rich really do leave lives qualitatively different from ours.
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