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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

I bet there's great pizza somewhere near here, but I'll have to pay for it or plan my whole meal around it. Can't just pop into the local pizza place and grab a slice.

Catching up on the kvetch thread...

I have this problem in certain cities when I am hankering for decent pizza. Okay NY street pizza (on the level of Joe's) = $3.50 a slice. (Joe's is $2.75, and I'm sure the rent is higher than the places I'm talking about.)

In the spirit of this thread, there's nothing that annoys me more* than a pizza place with table service only. (* this is hyperbole)

The Baking Steel does wonders, once you figure out the right ratio of bake-to-broil to get the top and bottom cooked evenly. It's not going to match up to Neapolitan or decent NYC-style, but it is much better than the crap you will get in most cities. I can get a crust with decent chew and a little charring even in my oven that only hits 550.
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Those were the hours of the best little hot dog/sausage place in Chicago. Only open until 4, located in some random corner of the city, not convenient to transit, and yet would have a line out the door every day.

I'm still sad it closed, but honestly, it was so difficult to actually go there, that I'm not sure it matters whether or not it is open.

I'm sad I missed out on Hot Doug's, but there is no hot dog worth waiting hours over, and I have had some great hot dogs. (I'd say the same about pizza, and I am obsessive about pizza.) Marketing 101: artificial scarcity. "We're only open till 4." "Duck fat fries only on Fridays!" "We close when the dough runs out." rolleyes.gif

People go to these places just to say that they've been to them. If Hot Doug was rolling in cash, he'd still be open. He obviously did not want to sell out and franchise (inevitably losing control in his company), which I can respect. I visited this place a few times when I was in Chicago. Owner is still there every day, 30ish years after the business opened. Running a restaurant is a grind.
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I feel like a hot dog can only be so amazing. They all seem to taste pretty much the same.
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

I feel like a hot dog can only be so amazing. They all seem to taste pretty much the same.

A hot dog is technically a meat/fat emulsification or "forcemeat." There's actually quite a bit of amazing that can be accomplished but a hot dog is just so commoditized it's not something that's economically viable to create for a commercial basis; see Hot Doug's.

At home, if you're of the mind, you can create some pretty tasty versions of hot dogs. I've only tried once as it's also a huge pain in the ass to emulsify meat at home.
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

I feel like a hot dog can only be so amazing. They all seem to taste pretty much the same.

Of all the things you eat??

A Chicago dog is a thing to behold. The sport peppers, the celery salt, the full pickle spear, the poppy seed bun, that weird electric green relish. Delicious. drool.gif
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I feel like a hot dog can only be so amazing. They all seem to taste pretty much the same.
the good ones are all about great texture. same thing with most sausages.
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A Chicago dog is a thing to behold. The sport peppers, the celery salt, the full pickle spear, the poppy seed bun, that weird electric green relish. Delicious. drool.gif
a bit overdone, IMO. Never had one that didn't end up a soggy mess.
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

a bit overdone, IMO. Never had one that didn't end up a soggy mess.

Thats why you have to scarf it down like Joey Chestnut

Sidenote: We are getting a Portillos in the area in the next few months. My waistline is upset over this.
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Lots of fertile ground for joaks here
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While Hot Doug's had some really good hot dogs, he also had a number of other sausages. Ranging from traditional to exotic game.
It would be a bit weird to wait in a line just for a char-dog...less weird when you are waiting for a foie-dog, an alligator andouille, AND a char-dog.
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Originally Posted by Van Veen View Post

I'm sad I missed out on Hot Doug's, but there is no hot dog worth waiting hours over, and I have had some great hot dogs. (I'd say the same about pizza, and I am obsessive about pizza.) Marketing 101: artificial scarcity. "We're only open till 4." "Duck fat fries only on Fridays!" "We close when the dough runs out." rolleyes.gif

People go to these places just to say that they've been to them. If Hot Doug was rolling in cash, he'd still be open. He obviously did not want to sell out and franchise (inevitably losing control in his company), which I can respect. I visited this place a few times when I was in Chicago. Owner is still there every day, 30ish years after the business opened. Running a restaurant is a grind.

I'm not sure this is really true about Hot Doug's.

I think he worked those hours because he wanted to (and traditionally, there seem to be 2 types of hot dog shops...the ones that are only open for lunch, maybe early dinner, and the ones that cater to drunk people at 1AM). It was the kind of place where, when Doug wanted to go on vacation, he shut the whole place down and I believe continued to pay his employees. I think the Duck Fat Fries on Friday/Saturday thing originated from the time when they weren't super busy. There would be a lunch rush on weekdays, but not enough business early and late in the shift to justify running the duck fat fryer (for instance, it used to be very popular with the nearby high school kids...back when you could actually eat there within 1 high school lunch period). And honestly, everyone is doing duck fat fries these days. It was something special 10 years ago, but nowadays, you can follow Guy Fieri's duck fat fry recipe...

I suspect he made plenty of money. Prices weren't low and volume was fairly high...back of the envelope math says he was probably doing $2-3m in revenue a year, and that was probably true since 2006 or so. Small space in a super low rent location. A few pretty low wage staff, and while he had some exotic sausages, I'd guess ingredient costs were low. Plus a book deal....given his simple lifestyle, I'd say he probably made out pretty well. GreenFrog wouldn't be satisfied, but Doug probably doesn't really have to worry about what he is doing for the rest of his life, although he probably can't totally not work at all.

Also, I believe he was the only business to ever actually have to pay a fine for selling foie gras while it was banned in Chicago.
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I miss summer. The heat, the humidity, the bounty of my garden, baseball on the radio, the sound of cicadas, the thick mist that covers the city, all of it.

Then again: no summers are hotter or more torturous than NYC's....
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

I feel like a hot dog can only be so amazing. They all seem to taste pretty much the same.

Living in the home of pork and sausages wagons, I can attest they don't.


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I did have a pretty amazing hot dog at this place called "Senate" in Cincinnati this past week. The actual dog itself was better than any I've had. It's still not something I'd wait in an hour+ line for. There are very few things I'd wait in that long of a line for.
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Should of got the Cincinnati chili dog has spaghetti on it and chocolate.
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You went to Doug's for the sausages and foie gras not the hot dogs. Christ. 

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Waited in line many times at Top Dog in Berkeley. Would gladly do so again. Almost never eat hot dogs/sausages these days other than at ball games, because there aren't any near me that are worth the effort. (There's a decent sausage and beer place in Venice I'd occasionally walk to when I lived in that 'hood, but it's no longer convenient for me.) Great ones are hard to find, but when they're great they're really great.
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Lol @lawyerdad @ Bezerkley that explains a lot

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