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Originally Posted by UnFacconable View Post


Long story short, I think what Piobaire proposed is similar to what Obama proposed in 2009/2010 but got killed in congress.

I hate when special interests buy off politicians like this. Did U of Phoenix get put out of business? Anyone go to jail? Some of those shops needed to have the company officers arrested, IMO.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I hate when special interests buy off politicians like this. Did U of Phoenix get put out of business? Anyone go to jail? Some of those shops needed to have the company officers arrested, IMO.

Short answer is I don't think anyone is going to jail but plenty of these schools are being shut down and some have been fined for indiscretions.

Here's a politico article from last summer: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/barack-obama-pushes-for-profit-colleges-to-the-brink-119613

Some choice quotes:
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For-profit colleges enroll just 11 percent of students nationally, yet account for 44 percent of federal student loan defaults, department officials often say.
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For-profits blame the regulations and investigations for accelerating their financial decline — a turnaround from the way the industry blossomed under what the White House has described as looser restrictions implemented by the George W. Bush administration.
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Last Wednesday, the Justice Department announced that the college operator Education Affiliates would pay $13 million to settle allegations it had falsified federal financial aid claims and misled Education Department officials by helping applicants obtain fake diplomas and then collecting federal financial aid dollars for those students.
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Now-defunct Corinthian was once a giant in the for-profit college industry, before financial sanctions imposed by the Education Department essentially killed it. Three other major operators — DeVry Education Group, Career Education Corp. and Education Management Corp. — announced in the past month that they would either sell or shut down campuses, with some citing the upcoming gainful employment rule.
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There was a funny John Oliver bit about all this some time ago
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Let me start off by saying I don't disagree with you and I'm not trying to be confrontational/dickish here--I was a political philosophy major.
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Well that's just surprising.
I'm not asking anyone to make a qualitative judgement as to "better" but rather an actuarial judgement as to "X% chance to experience an ROI that will allow this loan to be serviced appropriately." Not everything has to be "nailed down" but we can at least put the breaks on extreme stupidity, no? It's been spoken of here how we can hardly expect an 18 year old to make good financial choices so doesn't this mean we need society to help? This only seems fair as it's society paying.

Yeah, I get that but at the same time, I feel like universities are places where we ought to encourage and allow learning for the sake of learning and IMO, a society benefits from having greater appreciation for the humanities, people interested in social work etc etc. That means having undergraduate study in those fields.

I think the concern with debt is a valid, serious issue and it probably goes hand-in-hand with the increasing cost of higher education. Maybe the answer is just getting the government out of student loans (haven't really thought about that issue philosophically so it might be stupid) or having some standardized program for the first two years which would reduce the need for $200k of loans.

Really I guess what I'm saying is: I don't have an answer or know what one would look like.
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This is all great but let's unpack "learning for the sake of learning" a bit. The buried assumption here, of course, is the student is capable of this. So much of post-secondary education these days is remedial shit they should have learned in grade 10. They're not exploring the nuances of Chaucer's bawdiness or the philosophical history of mathematics (one of my favorite undergrad courses) they're (trying) to learn intermediate algebra probably 30-40% of the time. That's a huge problem and society should not allow folks to take on debt to learn basic shit.

The student loan crisis cannot be place solely on the shoulders of the folks taking them on it has to be shared with society in general. Society allowed this situation to develop, kids often get sold a bill of goods, and the proper role of government would be to protect folks from this vs. actively or passively encouraging it. I don't have all the answers but I do have some. One of those would be not to allow outright folly when it's in front of your face.

Again, if we want to allow people to self-actualize and explore themselves just outright give them money vs. the fiction of them ever paying it back.
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Let me start off by saying I don't disagree with you and I'm not trying to be confrontational/dickish here--I was a political philosophy major.
Yeah, I get that but at the same time, I feel like universities are places where we ought to encourage and allow learning for the sake of learning and IMO, a society benefits from having greater appreciation for the humanities, people interested in social work etc etc. That means having undergraduate study in those fields.

I think the concern with debt is a valid, serious issue and it probably goes hand-in-hand with the increasing cost of higher education. Maybe the answer is just getting the government out of student loans (haven't really thought about that issue philosophically so it might be stupid) or having some standardized program for the first two years which would reduce the need for $200k of loans.

Really I guess what I'm saying is: I don't have an answer or know what one would look like.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

So much of post-secondary education these days is remedial shit they should have learned in grade 10.

Yeah, and that's why I think having a standardized curriculum for the first two years might be part of a solution. That way, when entering the year three students would be immersed in their field of study and wouldn't have to pay so much for their intro to math 1001 class or whatever.

Also, I know at Georgia Tech it was pure calculus and science from year 1 or 2, but being an engineering school with the world's smartest nerds might not be the best comparison.
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post

Yeah, and that's why I think having a standardized curriculum for the first two years might be part of a solution. That way, when entering the year three students would be immersed in their field of study and wouldn't have to pay so much for their intro to math 1001 class or whatever.

Also, I know at Georgia Tech it was pure calculus and science from year 1 or 2, but being an engineering school with the world's smartest nerds might not be the best comparison.

Here's a better idea: people do not get accepted to post-secondary institutions until they have mastery of basic requirements.

Again, I'm not totally blaming students for this situation but rather society for allowing this situation.
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Here's a better idea: people do not get accepted to post-secondary institutions until they have mastery of basic requirements.

It's bold, but I like it.
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I had crazy dreengs in which I had tasks to perform but was thwarted, to where my day got off on the wrong foot so to speak. I needed to catch a flight but I didn't know what time the flight was. I couldn't find out because my GF was using drugs and wouldn't let me use the computer. (The drugs made her unreasonable to where she would not comply with my reasonable request to use the computer.)
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Originally Posted by L'Incandescent View Post

I had crazy dreengs in which I had tasks to perform but was thwarted, to where my day got off on the wrong foot so to speak. I needed to catch a flight but I didn't know what time the flight was. I couldn't find out because my GF was using drugs and wouldn't let me use the computer. (The drugs made her unreasonable to where she would not comply with my reasonable request to use the computer.)

GF was probably day trading.
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My GF works for a small nonprofit. I've come to expect hearing lots of things about their young staff, considering it is an organization that mostly wrangles college students and has a bit of a social justice heavy mission statement.

But I think this takes the cake:

A 22 year old that my GF supervises is apparently upset that my GF makes more than she does. WTF? Its not like my GF is highly compensated...despite having many years of experience and a masters in the field, she probably only makes a few thousand more than this girl at most. It is an under-funded non-profit after all. And my GF is literally in charge of this girl...how the fuck do think its weird that your boss makes more than you?

WTF would this girl think if she worked in the for-profit sector? I'm a little younger than my GF and don't have a masters degree...but I will still probably make 2-3x what a 22 year old new hire would get paid.
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Millennials.
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*Insert generic "client wants to do something dumb and probably won't take my advice about not doing it" post here. ffffuuuu.gif
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So why does this 22-year-old think she deserves more than your greenfrog? That's what really matters: details.
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