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post #46 of 67
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I'm afraid I concur with the earlier posters who said that you you're a 22-year-old college student trying to dress like a middle-aged man. I'm not saying you should look like every other college student, and I am not going to tell you how you 'should' look or tell you to acquire the SF MC uniform (if you do want this, then Quadcammer's post above is for you - I agree on the sense of random purchases, BTW), but at the moment you look, for want of a better word, incongruous and a bit uncomfortable. If you want to do suits and tailoring at this age, my advice would be to go a bit sharper - slightly shorter jackets, slimmer trousers etc. (look at Patrick Booth's, or timotune's fits on here). Suit Supply seems to be the best option right now in terms of value-for-money MTM suiting - New York, Chicago and soon, DC.

 

Interesting point about looking uncomfortable. Maybe I'm just not very photogenic? When I put on something to wear, it's very comfortable for me, and I feel quite a high degree of confidence too. I have been told fairly often that I dress well (girls or guys of age group too). It's a bit ironic to me that they thought so because of many posts in this thread suggesting otherwise. I do agree that I need better fitting clothes, but I'm not after the ultra slim look that fashion models on the catwalks in Milan are wearing. I am deliberately trying to buy stuff that can pass as classic, but the modern side of traditional. Apparently I'm missing the "modern" fit aspect, but it is what I'm planning for in the future, although not exaggeratedly so.

 

As for random purchases, I don't exactly see it that way. Given the nature of eBay, it is purchased at random, but whatever I'm after is usually thought of for months in advance. I happened to grab that coat for 15 dollars, and in any event I didn't waste any money. At this point, the worst that had ever happened is that it's just a slightly loose/drapey coat, but I'll still wear it. How easily can overcoats be tailored anyway? It's worth noting that I'm not even wearing a jacket under the coat, so that's why it appears looser.

 

Also, I've been told by one other guy elsewhere that I could do with a slightly shorter suit jacket as well, so should I start considering "short" sizes now?

 

 

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Seems a bit on the reserved and formal side for your age, although that might be the look you are going after? Didn't read all the posts but would hit the gym and get the clothes tailored to fit the improved physique biggrin.gif

I also think dressing up is okay but the style you are wearing looks very conservative, the suit looks like a sack suit for example. Would go for slightly more fashion forward cuts and fits if I were in your shoes.

 

Reserved and formal? Sure, that sounds like me, and I am very conservative. Sorry, but that's just how I am. You could say it's what I'm after out of choice. I didn't have a sack suit in mind when I bought it though, it was labelled their "tailored fit." I think the problem is that I got the wrong pants (traditional, not tailored fit), and I'm going to be getting the tailored fit pants soon. I'm trying to workout too, but I'm not noticing a big difference yet. Since three years ago, I went down to about 155 lbs and I'm 6"1' in height. Now it's a matter of me gaining some weight in muscle.

 

 

 

 

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The outfits you have posted remind me of what middle age men who no longer really care about clothes tend to wear - that's unfortunate and ironic given the above posts clearly indicate you are giving a great deal of thought to your outfits and wardrobe. The individual pieces are pretty bland, don't fit particularly well and generally look quite old fashioned (and not in a cool, vintage inspired, type of way).

As others have noted, you seem to be buying random things (largely because they are cheap and not because they fit well or look nice). Whilst I can completely appreciate this is because you are on a budget, the result is a series of outfits which lack any overall sense of style or direction.

I note you mention you are going for a 1960's type of look. My honest advice is that this will end up looking too contrived and costumey (and a little bit weird at your age).

As some of the earlier posters have mentioned, there are a whole host of places where you can go which are in your budget to find things which will fit better, look more age appropriate and generally give you a more polished overall appearance (Gap, H&M, J Crew etc). Whilst the quality won't be amazing, at your age people are still experimenting and finding their style and so it makes sense to shop for more affordable items at this stage.

Another thing which you may find useful is to browse the internet and magazines to find pictures of outfits/looks that you like, and then focus on buying key staple pieces from these outfits (e.g. a slim pair of chinos, a slim pair of jeans, a fitted blazer etc etc) focussing on items that you can mix and match with each other.

Good luck with your efforts!

 

Thank you for your input. I am very conservative, and much of that is reflected in what I wear too. It has been since the age of 19 a deliberate choice, as I felt that there needed to be more formality in society, and I happened to start liking the way I looked in smarter (more "formal") clothes. It's now a habit to put on a dress shirt or chinos instead being forced into wearing it for an event. Yeah, and to clarify on that '60s point, I had the more conservative styles exemplified by Don Draper and James Bond in mind, not the groovy swinging London or hippie looks. I'm a film buff that happens to like a lot of the movies from that decade as well. What I've noticed from those old movies and TV shows between the 1950s to '60s is that people dressed generally well, even extras meant to be walking in the streets or sitting at the bar, and I wanted to try to bring that aesthetic into my choice of clothes. As for the '30s and '40s, well the pants are too wide for my tastes. The hats are really cool though.

 

 

 

 

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This^

You're 22, not 52.

Honestly, you most likely won't figure out your personal "style" until your mid to late 20's

Now is the time to take some risks, check out seasonal trends(throw in some bright color, "slim" cuts,  etc) + mix and match until you find your style. 

You should be dressing MUCH younger than what I saw in the pics(a few of the pieces remind me of Forrest Gump)

I'm in my 30's and you appear to dress 20 years older than I do(this is not a good thing)

Also, I'm not really sure what women or men your are going to think about a 22 year old kid in a Fedora(I don't care what "traditionalists" think.) - DITCH IT.

If you're still hell bent on purchasing a bunch of swag to build a "look":

- Blazer from H & M that's inexpensive -- get it tailored
- A decent pair of dark designer jeans
- A solid pair of wingtips(AE/Magnanni)
- POSSIBLY a pair of double monks or Slip ons in Brown(AE neumora comes to mind)
- Canvas shoes for summer(white)
- White long sleeve button down(H & M)
- A slim pair of chinos --- Don't be afraid of color.

This is a small list that I came up with in 2 minutes but it's a solid base that you can mix polos, V neck tees and pretty much everything else with.

Best of luck!

 

OK thank you. It's become very clear to me by now that I dress much older than my age. I would rather not change my general style so much as just to improve the fit of my clothes though, as I've dressed this way since I was 19.  I used to just wear loose t-shirts and jeans all the time with big tennis shoes, and that was a point in my life I didn't care about how I dressed. Also, I'm not going to just quit wearing the hats, but I don't wear them as often as you think either. The grey one, although my favorite, happens to get worn the least, usually on a rainy day. Even then I only wear the other hats (more country or outback in appearance) to the local park or on a hike, not in the city. I'm not into baseball caps, and I don't even personally own one.

 

 

 

 

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My best advice to you, is to find a great tailor and become BFF's with him/her...You can work with all your clothes you have and get the leather jackets tailor, the paints tailored, and so forth.  Your world of clothing fashion and style will change once you find a tailor you are very close with and work with regularly.  Just remember, 75% of clothing items you purchase require tailoring to maximize its appearance.  

 

Sure, I'll keep looking, and I will consider clothes I already own for alterations. I'll be more mindful of fit in any new purchases though.

 

 

 

 

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You should just try to be yourself and wear what feels right since you're still young. I didn't develop my style until I was in my late 20s.

 

See, the type of clothes I wear feel right to me, as in the general style and formality level, but I recognize that I'm not wearing the best fitting clothes I should be.

 

 

OK, thanks everyone.

post #47 of 67
I think that people are making his outfits to be worse than they actually are. Just switch the chinos for some slim dark jeans and it'll be a huge improvement.
post #48 of 67
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Originally Posted by Jay Biondo View Post

Hi, I haven't been here very long. I'm a 22 year old college student seeking advice on how to improve my style. I'm aware of some of my current mistakes (such as baggy pants, and cheap shoes), and I would like recommendations on which elements I should focus on. I have a very limited budget, so I can't do much over $150 dollars on any one item in particular.

OK thank you. It's become very clear to me by now that I dress much older than my age. I would rather not change my general style so much as just to improve the fit of my clothes though



Okay, I think I have the disconnect pinned down. You posted on here looking for advice on how to improve your style. People have given you said advice. You are choosing to not act on it. I have a few high lights of the thread bolded.

Being a bit more direct here:

1. You are wasting your time and money buying discarded outdated ill fitting clothes on ebay. The jacket isn't anything to be excited about or anything a 22 year old college student needs to own. It looks like something a 48 year old mid level manager would wear in a lincoln nebraska in december. .

2. People are giving you suggestions of stores and even items to pick up, and you are going out of your way to get the opposite.

" I do agree that I need better fitting clothes, but I'm not after the ultra slim look that fashion models on the catwalks in Milan are wearing." - no one is going to confuse you for a model from milan if you pick up a basic pair of dark jeans from the gap, and a decent button down shirt from jcrew. You will still pass for a young republican don't worry.

3. "I have been told fairly often that I dress well (girls or guys of age group too). It's a bit ironic to me that they thought so because of many posts in this thread suggesting otherwise"
This means nothing, most 22 year olds can barely dress themselves in anything other than Hollister/American Eagle or what ever. Just by wearing a button down shirt, doesn't matter that its ill fitting, ugly color or the 12.99 Stafford special from JcPenny that will fall apart next week, your going to be viewed as "over dressed"

4. Also, I've been told by one other guy elsewhere that I could do with a slightly shorter suit jacket as well, so should I start considering "short" sizes now? - No, you are not short, Your arms are not short...moving on....

5. The fedora has to go, no one cares if your into baseball caps or not. They arn't related, you have the choice to wear no hat, which is what people are suggesting you do.
post #49 of 67
Hi you look like you dressing pretty well to start with. I took your first suit and added a PS and took the DB (button down) collar away.

So I would think that if you tapered the trousers a little NOT A LOT, and not skin tight, just the flappy excess.

Get yourself 2 or 3 shirts probably from modern tailor (as another dude said, cos they quite cheap and look good). Maybe plain white for formal, maybe a blue stripe, and a fairly fine check, with slightly cut away collars (not overdone) , maybe double button as well should improve your look tremendously.

621

Look at these as well to get ideas. They nearly all have pocket squares, plain white. Their tie knots are smaller and tighter, their ties have more contrast (darker) with their shirts. Hope this helps a bit..

This one for the absolute fit, and the patterned suit fabric, big hips, plain shirt, also slanted pockets, peak collar...

463

This one for ideas on shirt fabrics....

233

These next 2 for the statement that a textured suit fabric makes..

Here plain shirt / tie again...

653

Here striped shirt / plain tie...

470

This guy I just thought looked good, even though suit is too big for him, hair eased up, looks like he owns the look

685
post #50 of 67
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Okay, I think I have the disconnect pinned down. You posted on here looking for advice on how to improve your style. People have given you said advice. You are choosing to not act on it. I have a few high lights of the thread bolded.

 

Certainly, I understand the intent of the advice is to steer my clothes in the right direction. I appreciate it, but I will likely not be following every single piece of advice to the letter; there will be elements of my own personal style that I will choose to retain despite being unfavorable to some here, namely the fedora (again, just occasionally, and it'll look better by the time I'm sporting quality-made clothes anyway). I plan on eventually buying a better overcoat too, when I have the financial means to do so, but I am not ready to go spending a couple hundred dollars on a sharper one yet. If I do get one, it'll be charcoal or navy most likely. My next suit should come before that, if anything. That's really what I do want to get into wearing more often, suits. From the posts I've seen in the "what are you wearing" thread, suits and sports coats seem to be a manner of dress heavily encouraged here. Maybe I'm hanging around too much in Mens Clothing and not enough in Streetwear and Denim.

 

 

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no one is going to confuse you for a model from milan if you pick up a basic pair of dark jeans from the gap, and a decent button down shirt from jcrew. You will still pass for a young republican don't worry.

 

About Gap and Jcrew, that's the sort of thing I'll get around to doing this summer, but I have seen some pretty atrocious fashions in magazines or websites from recent years. Wouldn't you admit some of them are over the top?

 

 

Deandbn: Thanks, I'll keep that post in mind. I'll even get myself a pocket square the chance I get.

post #51 of 67
I have no idea if this has been said, but look at photos of clothing you like on other people and try to identify what you like about it. Do this incessantly. Just look at them, think about them, (save the photos to your computer) and then compare those photos to examples of things you don't like. Many times we simply like things instinctively without bothering to acknowledge why. It sounds really rudimentary, but you might find that you will be able to come up with some "rules" about what works and what doesn't if you actually do try to figure out why and it will help inform you when you're looking to buy things. I've learned quite a few things from doing this. Pay particular attention to:

-textures of fabrics (keep fabrics consistently formal/chic or informal/rustic throughout an outfit; i.e.: silk twill ties with fine wool trousers, cotton/linen/cashmere/wool ties with more casual pants)
-level of saturation in fabrics (make sure all your items work well in a palette; muted earth-tone colors go with muted earth-tone colors; bright colors go with other bright colors; watch out for clashing tones of the same color, such as paler khaki shades with more saturated yellowish varieties; especially pay attention to this on on navy blues)
-consistency of fit between shirts and pants (they should each be equally fitted to the same degree, or else it disrupts the proper proportions of a person's upper and lower volumes)

Also, take your time. Start your wardrobe around very basic items that have a low probability of "missing" like properly fitting trousers, white oxford shirts, and basic wool sweaters in blues and light greys. Things that won't go out of style and things that are versatile. If you go too fast on other things like formal outerwear, eclectic sportcoats, or novelty patterns that have very limited use, you'll make mistakes merely out of inexperience, and then you'll have to rebuy things to correct your bad judgement, or you'll have a bunch of things you can't wear and can't sell.

I'm pretty embarrassed at how bad some of my first attempts to dress well were, but it had nothing to do with a lack of trying and everything to do with impatience and ill-advised compromise over fit and quality, from the naive hope that I could right the ship overnight by finding miraculously cheap things. If money is tight for you, just wear fitted white shirts and fitted dark pants until you feel more confident branching out. But don't buy junk just because it's cheap, because it's almost certain that you will eventually realize it wasn't worth it.
post #52 of 67
Also, be sure to ignore most of these horrible outfits.
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Originally Posted by deandbn View Post

Hi you look like you dressing pretty well to start with. I took your first suit and added a PS and took the DB (button down) collar away.
So I would think that if you tapered the trousers a little NOT A LOT, and not skin tight, just the flappy excess.
Get yourself 2 or 3 shirts probably from modern tailor (as another dude said, cos they quite cheap and look good). Maybe plain white for formal, maybe a blue stripe, and a fairly fine check, with slightly cut away collars (not overdone) , maybe double button as well should improve your look tremendously.
621
Look at these as well to get ideas. They nearly all have pocket squares, plain white. Their tie knots are smaller and tighter, their ties have more contrast (darker) with their shirts. Hope this helps a bit..
This one for the absolute fit, and the patterned suit fabric, big hips, plain shirt, also slanted pockets, peak collar...
463
This one for ideas on shirt fabrics....
233
These next 2 for the statement that a textured suit fabric makes..
Here plain shirt / tie again...
653
Here striped shirt / plain tie...
470
This guy I just thought looked good, even though suit is too big for him, hair eased up, looks like he owns the look
685
post #53 of 67
It's funny how people here are saying "you dress too old for your age", &c., and then they're simultaneously saying "you need to develop your own style". And then they start whining like little bitches just because you won't jump when they clap.
People here have also been ridiculously callous regarding your body shape. You have wide hips and quads: you clearly can't wear particularly slim trousers. And those saying "you need to go to the gym to build up your upper body"; well sure, go ahead and spend 6 hours a week in the gym if you want to force yourself into that mould. But you strike me as an intelligent man with personality, who doesn't want to fit no fucking mould. I would take a guess you'd rather spend your time re-watching Sergio Leone's "Dollars" trilogy. Besides, my friend has wide hips and spent three years in the gym; he now has a 48 inch chest and a 34 inch waist. But he still has wide hips and certainly can't wear slim trousers.

With that preface in mind, this is my advice:

1. Wear more navy and deep blue. Particularly your more formal clothing. It's a youthful colour that looks modern and classic simultaneously. It's also extremely flattering on your body.
2. Someone suggested taking your clothes to a tailor. I concur. A good tailor will tell you where things need to shortened, slimmed, balanced, etc.. Suits, shirts, blazers, and trousers will all benefit hugely.
3. Try to buy clothes made of high quality, soft fabrics where possible. The way they lay on your body is extremely flattering.
4. Take your photos of your fits in a nicer room. Preferably a white room/wall with natural or at least good light. This alone will make a huge difference to the advice people give you here.
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post #55 of 67
Jay

I think you are missing the point on so many levels.

I have been told fairly often that I dress well (girls or guys of age group too). It's a bit ironic to me that they thought so because of many posts in this thread suggesting otherwise.

I'm not sure who's giving you that advice, but you have several people on this thread who are telling you that your outfits and general style are not great. If I was getting feedback like that about myself, I would start to wonder whether there is something about my overall style that I am getting wrong.

I do agree that I need better fitting clothes, but I'm not after the ultra slim look that fashion models on the catwalks in Milan are wearing. I am deliberately trying to buy stuff that can pass as classic, but the modern side of traditional. Apparently I'm missing the "modern" fit aspect, but it is what I'm planning for in the future, although not exaggeratedly so.

I think you are mistakenly believing that the fit of your outfits is the main problem. It is one of the problems, but by no means the main/only one. Your outfits are not classic or the modern side of traditional. Generally the items are pretty bland and non-descript and to my eye there is nothing particularly stylish or appealing about them. They are very simple, conventional outfits that 90% of the population wear - i'm not sure why you can't see this. Apologies if this sounds direct, I am not trying to be rude and am just trying to express as directly as possible what I think the issues are.

At this point, the worst that had ever happened is that it's just a slightly loose/drapey coat, but I'll still wear it. How easily can overcoats be tailored anyway? It's worth noting that I'm not even wearing a jacket under the coat, so that's why it appears looser.

Again you seem in denial and to be missing the point. The coat isn't just slightly loose or drapey, it fits you very badly and is not particulalry nice in any event, yet you seem determined to wear it. I can't reconcile your posts stating that you want to sharpen up your style, with your statement that the coat is loose and drapey and yet you'll still wear it. Tailoring the coat would make it look slightly better, although experience has taught me that it's always better to start with a garment that is as near to your natural size as possible so that you are only making slight tweaks here and there (i.e. tailoring a coat that is a size or two too big for you can often end up not looking great).

Reserved and formal? Sure, that sounds like me, and I am very conservative. Sorry, but that's just how I am. You could say it's what I'm after out of choice. I didn't have a sack suit in mind when I bought it though, it was labelled their "tailored fit." I think the problem is that I got the wrong pants (traditional, not tailored fit), and I'm going to be getting the tailored fit pants soon.

It's possible to dress in a manner which is reserved and formal and still look styylish - but that's not what you are doing. Again, you seem to think buying tailored pants is getting you 50% of the way there, but you are ignoring the broader stylistic issues that others are trying to flag to you.

From the posts I've seen in the "what are you wearing" thread, suits and sports coats seem to be a manner of dress heavily encouraged here. Maybe I'm hanging around too much in Mens Clothing and not enough in Streetwear and Denim.

Yes, but often these are posts by people who are going to work, or going somewhere where smart or smart/casual clothes look appropriate. A 22 year-old wearing smart trousers and a sports coat on a day to day basis for no apparent reason would look slightly odd and contrived to me.

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Originally Posted by Loathing View Post

It's funny how people here are saying "you dress too old for your age", &c., and then they're simultaneously saying "you need to develop your own style". .

Loathing, I do see where you are coming from but I think people are generally trying to be helpful (given the OP has started a thread seeking guidance/input on his style) and generally the tone of the posts to me seems to be "ultimately you need to find your own style, but here are a few pointers".

Jay - again, I hope you don't mind me being direct and aren't offended by any of the above, just thought I would chime in with my 2 cents worth.

Dib
post #56 of 67

OP, I get where you are coming from in wanting to dress with that classic swagger that Bond and well dressed men of the past had.  The problem is, you're not doing that.  This is what you don't realize, I think.  In line with what the above poster said, intent and reality are two different things.

post #57 of 67

i would have to agree with dib on all accounts.  i think there is a bigger underlying problem here for what he is saying though.  If i came here looking for advice and people told me that essentially my entire wardrobe is unnacceptable and that i have been failing to achieve the look that im going for, it would be a little tough to take in all at the same time.  Not that your feelings are hurt or anything, but that would be a hit to ones pride.  you have spent your time and money on the clothes that you currently have, so it would be tough to hear that they dont look good.  you seem to be more than happy to listen to criticism without being offended, which is great, but the next step to that is actually acting on the advice that you have been given.  To compliment what dib said, getting advice is only half of the equation, you also need to use that advice or youre wasting youre time.  Itll take a trusting the people on here a little bit, and going out on a limb, but thats part of the process of finding what you like. If you dont, then youll be stuck with bland and boring clothes that dont reflect your personality.

 

My style hasnt changed much since my freshman year of college bc i figured out my personal style early on and most of it is what people have been suggesting on here.  i just keep making tweeks when i want to or when i find something new that i like while still staying within the look that im going for.  that way, i have continuity and variety which i think is key.  whoever posted on here to start basic and build from there is absolutely right. where most people go wrong is they compromise look, quality, fit, etc bc its convenient or cheap. then its even more expensive to go back and fix it.  deals are good, but just because something is cheap doesnt mean that you need it. Im fairly conservative and trust me, you can still pull off a conservative look in good fitting dark jeans and a plain colored v neck or crew neck t shirt, or a button down from j crew. Every time, before im about to buy something, or see something that i think looks good, i stop and ask myself what i have that i can wear this with, where ill wear it to, if i have anything similar to it already, and give myself an honest assessment of how much i will wear it. I do this with everything from t- shirts, to dress pants, suits and shoes.  If i cant answer those, then i dont buy it, regardless of how much i like it.  This really prevents me from buying things that i think are cool in a store but when i get home, i realize i just liked the idea of wearing it(if that makes sense).  Try doing this and youll be amazed at how much it helps. i bolded this because if you only read one thing from my post, i wanted you to read this.

 

Dib hit the nail on the head, the ultimate key for you(from what people have been posting) is to fix what you can from your wardobe, and replace the rest. Getting bland clothes tailored will make them fit better, but that wont make them look less boring or "Mr Rogers esque".  there is definitely a place for some of those types of things, but that needs to be one part of your clothing, and it seems like it is the majority of yours.  Try to have more balance in what you wear day to day, ie brighter colors, different patterns, solids, formal, casual; in order to avoid monotony. you have the luxury of being able to do this since you arent going to work everyday where you have to wear a certain thing. Oh and suits or blazers and slacks to class every day is just going to bring the wrong kind of attention to you. I hope i havent offended you, but honesty is the best policy. and i hope this helps! ps sorry for how long this is, i like to be thorough

post #58 of 67
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Originally Posted by paradoxical3 View Post

OP, I get where you are coming from in wanting to dress with that classic swagger that Bond and well dressed men of the past had.  The problem is, you're not doing that.  This is what you don't realize, I think.  In line with what the above poster said, intent and reality are two different things.

This ^^^^ ---is brilliant.

 

and once again -- THIS:

 

 

- Blazer from H & M that's inexpensive -- get it tailored

- A decent pair of dark designer jeans

- A solid pair of wingtips(AE/Magnanni)

- POSSIBLY a pair of double monks or Slip ons in Brown(AE neumora comes to mind)

- Canvas shoes for summer(white)

- White long sleeve button down(H & M)

- A slim pair of chinos --- Don't be afraid of color.

 

Throw in a relatively inexpensive suit (midnight/charcoal -get it tailored) if' you're hell bent on being Daniel Craig.

 

You can build ANY look around the above items + H & M clothing generally has a more European tailored fit than other similar retailers.

 

At 22 and 155 lbs you're probably going to fill out in the next few years which means a sizable $$$ investment for a ton of clothing is going to be worthless as they won't fit and you're back to square one.

 

 

 

post #59 of 67
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

why are you wearing a suit and tie? Your khakis are frikken terrible.
You're a college student. Watch some fashion shows, figure out what you like, wear it.
You can make as many mistakes as you like, but the absolute worst one would be to be the dude who dresses as an old man.
Venture over to SW&D. Browse. Learn. Refine your tastes.

Agreed -- you look like an old man. Style is being age appropriate, as well as well-dressed.

And just because you put yourself out there for comments, those khakis make you look like a lesbian.
post #60 of 67
Oh, forgot to add -- doesn't the OP care about getting pussy? I doubt you could get 45 year old women dressed like that, let alone girls in their 20s.
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