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post #196 of 295
On the other hand, the fact that the fabric soaks up water doesn't mean that the water makes it all the way to the inside of the jacket. The real issue is how long it takes for the water repellence to be lost completely.

Also, the bottom bit of my zipper is fraying a bit as well.
post #197 of 295
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Originally Posted by ceoceo View Post

Im pretty sure this is how it works. I mean, the jackets fabric is basically super dense knit of poly-nylon right? (Can't be bothered to look it up) Water rolls around the surface because the knit is so tight it cannot invade into the fabric. Abrasion will wear out this tight knot/bond that traps water at surface level and as a result start taking water.

Personally I welcome all types of discussion for clothes we buy/own. Keep the rants going! devil.gif

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On the other hand, the fact that the fabric soaks up water doesn't mean that the water makes it all the way to the inside of the jacket.

This.

If the fabric is a dense weave like ventile, the way that it actually works is by soaking up water. When it gets soaked, the weave expands so any tiny gaps are closed.

There will be a poly-coating as well, but that's not the inrinsic waterproofing in the fabric.
post #198 of 295
I think the treatment that the fabric gets at pepsow gives the material its particular handle and stops the water from penetrating and ends up beading, this is what I think is wearing off.

as the fabric is a dense weave like ventile but as it's not cotton I would hazard a guess that it's the shape of the weave that stops the water at the surface and sits in the surface rather than soaking it up all the way through.

ceoceo when you showered your snow smock did you notice any water soaking through to the other side?

there must be a spray or something similar that can be applied to the coats and give an effect that is analogous to the treatment. it won't be exactly the same as I'm sure it's done under certain conditions. maybe a cycle in the wash with a dwr treatment could work?
post #199 of 295
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post


This.

If the fabric is a dense weave like ventile, the way that it actually works is by soaking up water. When it gets soaked, the weave expands so any tiny gaps are closed.

There will be a poly-coating as well, but that's not the inrinsic waterproofing in the fabric.
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ceoceo when you showered your snow smock did you notice any water soaking through to the other side?

Yes! I was waiting for the Master Techno-outerwear to help me out!! I felt like it was the way the fabric was knit that did anything with water, not some kind of treatment at top. But then I could not elaborate more because my English was running short. peepwall[1].gif

The sleeves, as you all know, are lined, and it took almost a couple minutes of tab water to actually my arm 'feel' wet - feel because it wasn't actually wet (??). the unlined body also took a minute of pouring to do anything to it. But you won't get this much unless you are being drown or walking in a heavy rain for a while.

So yes, this will still keep you dry in most cases, but after a month of usage, you won't have that invincible feeling as elements can't seem to give you two shits. The looks I got from people on the streets were priceless shog[1].gif
post #200 of 295
ceoceo was it a bit like ...



maybe we're missing the point and the jackets are supposed to end up like harvey's grandmother's wooden spoon.

JohnnyLaw/radicaldog/ceoceo have you tried cauterising or melting the ends a little? cut the frayed ends then try heating a needle, safety pin or something similar and rub the heated pin over the edge being careful not to burn your coat or poke a hole in it. this should hopefully stop the fraying.
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Padded inner available on Yoox...

post #203 of 295
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Originally Posted by ceoceo View Post


Yes! I was waiting for the Master Techno-outerwear to help me out!! I felt like it was the way the fabric was knit that did anything with water, not some kind of treatment at top. But then I could not elaborate more because my English was running short. peepwall[1].gif

The sleeves, as you all know, are lined, and it took almost a couple minutes of tab water to actually my arm 'feel' wet - feel because it wasn't actually wet (??). the unlined body also took a minute of pouring to do anything to it. But you won't get this much unless you are being drown or walking in a heavy rain for a while.

So yes, this will still keep you dry in most cases, but after a month of usage, you won't have that invincible feeling as elements can't seem to give you two shits. The looks I got from people on the streets were priceless shog[1].gif

Again though, they need to stop advertising it as being invincible. And they should offer some sort of re-treat service like Barbour does.

May just have to spray down with some sort of water repellent after mine wears through.
post #204 of 295

Oh my, just had a quick glance through all the previous threads and must admit I am now having second thoughts about buying a Snow Smock, there also seems to be a few people on here selling theirs which leads me to believe we shouldn't all believe the hype confused.gif

 

Ceoceo, have you got anything else to report on these jackets before I spend an absolute fortune?

 

Cheers

post #205 of 295
from the haven shop blog.





post #206 of 295
A storm parka.. so their promise of "four colours. Seven jackets. Forever." is broken completely I guess rotflmao.gif
post #207 of 295
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Originally Posted by ceoceo View Post

A storm parka.. so their promise of "four colours. Seven jackets. Forever." is broken completely I guess rotflmao.gif

Isn't that the Dress Jacket which is one of the original jackets?

I think there are a couple of variations including a Drill jacket that lacks epaulets (which is totally backwards)...
post #208 of 295
akatsuki the top two are the dress jacket with a herringbone print the last photo is of the new storm parka both of which are part of the a/w 2013 range.
post #209 of 295

After doing a lot of research on the Snow Smock and receiving my new jacket I was really looking forward to my new very expensive purchase and it was quite fortunate that whilst it was in the post I happened to bump into a guy at Present clothes store in London who was wearing a navy blue snow smock that looked about 5 years old and looked like the guy had been dragged through the African bush backwards by a Land Rover wearing the said jacket. I decided to ask the guy a few questions and he said he had owned the jacket for just over a month and proceeded to show me a missing button that came off within a day of owning it. I thanked him and went on my way and the whole way home I felt deflated and a bit angry about what I had just seen.

The jacket arrived and WOW was I not impressed. I spend a great deal on my outerwear and have pieces by Nigel Cabourn, CP Company and Nanamica to name a few, I thought the quality was poor, the buttons did feel like they would fall off any day, the zip felt poor and fiddly and there was no way in hell this jacket would last longer than 2-3 years without spending fortunes on a top tailor trying to just keep it in one piece. My other jackets are all priced around the same level and they will be in my wardrobe for many many years to come. I really think these guys have shot themselves in the foot with this brand, the ridiculously laughable marketing claims need to be dropped very soon and the only picture I see is these two guys laughing all the way to the bank.

 

The jacket was sent back as quick as it arrived.

 

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post #210 of 295
^Thanks for the review.
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