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post #76 of 92
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Originally Posted by mattjames
A prick extension would be giving you something you never had. Hair restoration is giving you back what you once had. The only plastic surgery it is comparible to is reconstructive surgery of the face, or something like that.
Well, to each his own. The only thing that I would like back is youth. But alas... Seriously, it sounds like what you need to regain is confidence, not hair. You might want to see a different kind of doctor for that. I fear that more hair will not give you what you are seek.
post #77 of 92
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Originally Posted by Soph
--But you'll wear a Kiton suit What's the difference? Nothing matters. Expensive suits, many people will laugh at how silly that is.You love to use hyperbole and extremes.

I've seen patients with inverted chest. Pec implants restored their lives. Pills can't make your dick bigger.

I know many physicians and self esteem is tied to physical looks to some extent, don't call the kettle midnight:

http://www.forhair.com/hairtransplant/about944.html
The results are virtually perfect by top notch, 'custom HT docs'
Another result achieved without perceptible scarring, using Follicular Isolation.

If a patient wants to improve their lives, I say why not. Although shaving one's head first to determine if that is ideal is your first step. I prefer short hair myself, but I'm not going to bash someone for wanting to improve themselves via a suit, shoes or anything cosmetic. Many men would prefer hair over a suit anyday.
Yeah, but I wear shorts and a t-shirt too. I really don't see somebody taking a knife to my head as akin to wearing this or that suit. For me, wearing nice clothing is within the norms for male behavior. Plastic surgery and make-up are not. Most physicians do not deal with self esteem. I would venture to say that real self esteem should come from something other than what you look like. YMMV.
post #78 of 92
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Originally Posted by iammatt
Yeah, but I wear shorts and a t-shirt too. I really don't see somebody taking a knife to my head as akin to wearing this or that suit. For me, wearing nice clothing is within the norms for male behavior. Plastic surgery and make-up are not.

Most physicians do not deal with self esteem. I would venture to say that real self esteem should come from something other than what you look like.

YMMV.


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I tell that to the disfigured patients in the ER next time. Don't fix anything, it's not 'normal' male behavior Your self esteem should come from within. Personally I had my dentist fix some of my teeth, I guess that was unmaly of me as he used a needle. drills and dental material

Real men do this, real men do that. Do you chop wood on Sundays? And catch your own food with your teeth?

Just teasing.
post #79 of 92
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Originally Posted by Soph
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I tell that to the disfigured patients in the ER next time. Don't fix anything, it's not 'normal' male behavior Your self esteem should come from within.

Real men do this, real men do that. Do you chop wood on Sundays? And catch your own food with your teeth?

Just teasing.
Is being bald being disfigured? Talk about hyperbole. I was certainly not referring to birth defects, burn victims etc. Bald is different. Bald is part of life.
post #80 of 92
My point being that Self Esteem is tied greatly to appearance despite the idealistic viewpoint of society at large that its internal. Research consistently supports this.

Under your premise, the gentleman pictured below has went under the knife and done something unmasculine. No different than baldness, bad teeth etc. To say baldness is somehow different than getting your teeth fix, or that a nose job is a shift in thinking for some I guess. Anyway, we'll let pictures speak for themselves:


I see nothing unmasculine and obvioulsy quite a positive for the patient and his self esteem.
There are some basic classical male aesthetics.


However, it doesn't mean you shouldn't work on the internal, thoughts, feelings, etc.
And I believe a alot of men do look great BALD/Shaven. But not all. For them, there are perfectly acceptalbe/ethical options today.
post #81 of 92
I'll admit it. I think you look better in the second picture. My POV is that I really have not given my lack of hair a second thought. Thanksfully, neither has my wife.
post #82 of 92
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Originally Posted by iammatt
Well, to each his own. The only thing that I would like back is youth. But alas...

Seriously, it sounds like what you need to regain is confidence, not hair. You might want to see a different kind of doctor for that. I fear that more hair will not give you what you are seek.

That's one of those nonsense, illogical reactions. In some cases it might be true, but to suggest that anyone wishing to restore their hair should seek therapy is ridiculous. You are posting on a forum which is all about style and appearance, so I think it's safe to assume that you care about yours. In your case, what you clothe your body in is more important to you than your hair. Good for you, but some people - most people - like having hair, and if something can be done to either hold-off hairloss, e.g. drugs, or restore what you had, then that's a reasonable course of action.

Being bald is part of life? Impotence is part of life. Many things are part of life.
You appear to be the type of person who cannot see outside of his own little space. Men shouldn't wear makeup? I don't wear makeup, but who am I to say what is and isn't manly conduct, and who are you?
post #83 of 92
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Originally Posted by Soph
My point being that Self Esteem is tied greatly to appearance despite the idealistic viewpoint of society at large that its internal. Research consistently supports this.

Under your premise, the gentleman pictured below has went under the knife and done something unmasculine. No different than baldness, bad teeth etc. To say baldness is somehow different than getting your teeth fix, or that a nose job is a shift in thinking for some I guess. Anyway, we'll let pictures speak for themselves:


I see nothing unmasculine and obvioulsy quite a positive for the patient and his self esteem.
There are some basic classical male aesthetics.


However, it doesn't mean you shouldn't work on the internal, thoughts, feelings, etc.
And I believe a alot of men do look great BALD/Shaven. But not all. For them, there are perfectly acceptalbe/ethical options today.

What a transformation! I can see he had chin augmentation, rhinoplasty and his ears done. Anything else?
post #84 of 92
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Originally Posted by iammatt
I'll admit it. I think you look better in the second picture.

My POV is that I really have not given my lack of hair a second thought. Thanksfully, neither has my wife.

---LOL!. Not me, I for the most part am quite happy with what Nature has given me, and I'm very thankful and know it can be taken from me any moment.

I have the greatest compassion for people.

As I said, hairloss is a very individual thing and that for most women post 25 it becomes a fairly mute issue. In fact, many women find many men quite attractive without hair, I would say some men look even better without hair than with. But alot of men do not and I see a HT as no different than wanting a bespoke suit
post #85 of 92
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Originally Posted by mattjames
What a transformation! I can see he had chin augmentation, rhinoplasty and his ears done. Anything else?


--- I think this is an excellent example, and I am quite happy for this gentleman, and I can 100% assure you his self esteem is higher just from the increased female compliments.
post #86 of 92
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Originally Posted by mattjames
That's one of those nonsense, illogical reactions. In some cases it might be true, but to suggest that anyone wishing to restore their hair should seek therapy is ridiculous. You are posting on a forum which is all about style and appearance, so I think it's safe to assume that you care about yours. In your case, what you clothe your body in is more important to you than your hair. Good for you, but some people - most people - like having hair, and if something can be done to either hold-off hairloss, e.g. drugs, or restore what you had, then that's a reasonable course of action.

Being bald is part of life? Impotence is part of life. Many things are part of life.
You appear to be the type of person who cannot see outside of his own little space. Men shouldn't wear makeup? I don't wear makeup, but who am I to say what is and isn't manly conduct, and who are you?

It is not illogical reasoning as the entire subject is well outside the sphere of logic. I stated my beliefs and made plain that they were simply beliefs.

I certainly care about my appearance, but not to any degree more than other people. I like clothes that look good, but also am interested in them for the sake of their history and their manufacture.

Impotence is certainly part of life. Thankfully, it is not a part of life that I have had the need to confront. I guess that if I do, I will make the decision to take pills or not. I would not have a pump or rod inserted. However, impotence is a functional/medical problem and not really akin to hair loss. Hair loss is simply a problem of appearance.

I was not aware that my space was necessarily little, and I venture outside it often. I think that it is very fair to assume that anybody who feels that his life can me markedly improved simply by changing their appearance through surgery needs more help than just surgical. If you can't see through your appearance, you need help. Period. Surgery might help you, but it is a short term fix.
post #87 of 92
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Originally Posted by iammatt
It is not illogical reasoning as the entire subject is well outside the sphere of logic. I stated my beliefs and made plain that they were simply beliefs.

I certainly care about my appearance, but not to any degree more than other people. I like clothes that look good, but also am interested in them for the sake of their history and their manufacture.

Impotence is certainly part of life. Thankfully, it is not a part of life that I have had the need to confront. I guess that if I do, I will make the decision to take pills or not. I would not have a pump or rod inserted. However, impotence is a functional/medical problem and not really akin to hair loss. Hair loss is simply a problem of appearance.

I was not aware that my space was necessarily little, and I venture outside it often. I think that it is very fair to assume that anybody who feels that his life can me markedly improved simply by changing their appearance through surgery needs more help than just surgical. If you can't see through your appearance, you need help. Period. Surgery might help you, but it is a short term fix.

From what I gather of this thread, Matt might be bald but he carries his head high and is simply not psychologically affected by one of the myriad of physical changes you'll have to deal with anyway when you grow older. Think of going bald as a way to practice for the real hard stuff that'll come along as some way, if you can't deal with that I really don't want to know how you'll cope with some changes.

Full disclaimer: I, along with all males on both sides of my family, will most certainly keep my perfect mane of ungreyed hair well into my 60s/70s (for the ungreyed part) and grave (for the full head of hair part).
post #88 of 92
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Originally Posted by iammatt
Yeah, but I wear shorts and a t-shirt too. I really don't see somebody taking a knife to my head as akin to wearing this or that suit. For me, wearing nice clothing is within the norms for male behavior. Plastic surgery and make-up are not.

Most physicians do not deal with self esteem. I would venture to say that real self esteem should come from something other than what you look like.

YMMV.

I can understand your viewpoint but it's a little harsh. If getting a HT makes someone feel better then they should do it, assuming they can afford it. I've always had a very thick head of hair and in the past year it's started to thin. I have a long face and I'm pretty sure that pattern baldness won't be a flattering look for me. I want to keep my hair as long as possible.

If I can prevent something that's undesirable with a simple pill, why shouldn't I? It's no different than taking vitamins in the morning or using protein shakes to bulk-up and achieve a better body. The only difference is that finasteride had to go through FDA approval and is labeled as a drug.
post #89 of 92
The illogical part is assuming that someone who undergoes a transplant (or takes hairloss drugs, as you were against this also) is doing so because they are really insecure. I am getting my hairline restored because I don't like how it looks, I can't style it how I want to style it, or how I used to style it. There is an option to remedy this situation, and I want to take it. I am not someone willing to 'make do' when there is a solution available.

The "norms of male behavior" constantly change. New technologies which provide solutions to age-old problems are really without precedent and shouldn't be subject to ideas of normal male behavior. In the future, when superior treatments are developed, hairloss will be a choice. If those treatments were available now then it would be normal male behavior to use them.
post #90 of 92
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Originally Posted by mattjames
The illogical part is assuming that someone who undergoes a transplant (or takes hairloss drugs, as you were against this also) is doing so because they are really insecure. I am getting my hairline restored because I don't like how it looks, I can't style it how I want to style it, or how I used to style it. There is an option to remedy this situation, and I want to take it. I am not someone willing to 'make do' when there is a solution available.

The "norms of male behavior" constantly change. New technologies which provide solutions to age-old problems are really without precedent and shouldn't be subject to ideas of normal male behavior. In the future, when superior treatments are developed, hairloss will be a choice. If those treatments were available now then it would be normal male behavior to use them.


-Exactly. Very well said.
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