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post #31 of 330
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

This thread sucks btw - the SWD does MC and MC does SWD threads were genuinely alright and worthy of discussion, but pitting them against each other does not work. For one, MC is easier to master than SWD - all you need is stacks of cash, and the terms and checklists you guys have already written. The clothes do most of the rest. SW+D has shown that money can't buy style.

That's a little unfair man. Both MC and SW&D have uniforms. Dark suit/light shirt/tie/shoes or T-shirt/leather jacket/jeans/boots or sneakers. You still have to make sure the fit, silhouette, configuration, materials, and accessories are optimal. Arguably, getting the fit/materials right is harder in MC. Anyone can get a well-fitting suit from a stodgy tailor, but it's fairly challenging to look "cool" in a suit.

Then there are the more complex outfits. In SW&D you have the goth ninja stuff, the yohji stuff, etc. In MC you have the patterned jacket / bold colors / pitti look. It's very hard to get those right, but when you do the results are stunning.
post #32 of 330

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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

This thread sucks btw - the SWD does MC and MC does SWD threads were genuinely alright and worthy of discussion, but pitting them against each other does not work. For one, MC is easier to master than SWD - all you need is stacks of cash, and the terms and checklists you guys have already written. The clothes do most of the rest. SW+D has shown that money can't buy style.

 

Perhaps what sucks is the idea that this has to be about 'pitting them against each other'. And I don't think that is the main point of these comparisons. As Vox said in his introduction, there may be multiple reasons  why he's chosen any two to compare... and it's really up to all of us who comment to make sure that this thread is interesting rather than sucky, isn't it? And just continuing arbitrary arguments about whether in general 'MC or SW&D is better' is certainly one way to guarrantee to make it suck...

 


 

 

post #33 of 330
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

SW+D has shown that money can't buy style.

Uhm, I do not think that this is what you wanted to say, exactly.

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post #34 of 330
It is. Guys have bought thousands of dollars worth of SW+D clothes and still can't put together a good looking outfit, NAMOR, etc.
post #35 of 330
what is the point of this thread if not to stir shit up?
post #36 of 330
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Originally Posted by johanm View Post

That's a little unfair man. Both MC and SW&D have uniforms. Dark suit/light shirt/tie/shoes or T-shirt/leather jacket/jeans/boots or sneakers. You still have to make sure the fit, silhouette, configuration, materials, and accessories are optimal. Arguably, getting the fit/materials right is harder in MC. Anyone can get a well-fitting suit from a stodgy tailor, but it's fairly challenging to look "cool" in a suit.
Then there are the more complex outfits. In SW&D you have the goth ninja stuff, the yohji stuff, etc. In MC you have the patterned jacket / bold colors / pitti look. It's very hard to get those right, but when you do the results are stunning.

Alright, fair enough, I'll admit that there is some amount of talent involved in putting together the good outfits on both sides... though SW+D of SF isn't the best place to go about looking for great examples of what's within the SW+D genre, whereas the number of MC-like fora on the internet are limited and much-centered here, so some of the formulas and thinking are going to be convergent since there are crossposters to both.

That said, MC has a rulebook that doesn't really change so much, whereas SW+D by nature changes it's feelings towards things pretty quickly, and hasn't even really scratched the surface in terms of what's out there. What's hot this week may not be next week, in this forum.

I find it easier to put together a decent MC-like outfit than a SW+D outfit that I consider equally nice. It appears that it's the same for others as well, judging by the way the SW+D does MC and MC does SW+D threads turned out. There has to be something behind that, it's not really coming to me so well but I feel it, and have always felt that way.
post #37 of 330
I was gonna tear apart the Pitti #menswear style stuff and the gothninja comparison, but after thinking about it - I think you're actually onto something, though I don't consider either to be difficult, just expensive to put together. A lot of the layering and coordination is fairly easy to do. It's not unlike the Abercrombie and Fitch attitude from years ago (was that honestforum?) except it's like 50 times more expensive.
post #38 of 330
The pants in the mc photo are fucking hideous. Overall, it's just dull. If I saw the guy on the street, I wouldn't give it a second glance and would think "oh look, there's some rich douchebag probably off to abuse some prostitutes and make fun of poor people at his 'gentlemans club' ". If I saw Ivwri, it would either be "daaaaaamn" or "wow that guy has a lot of balls."
post #39 of 330
Thread Starter 
Not a bad start for the very first pair of photographs.


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Thank you for all of the thoughtful comments.

I hope as we go along, things will remain (become?) interesting.
post #40 of 330
Are we supposed to be cross-posting to both threads?

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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

I don't know. It seems like the only guidelines for SW&D are color and brand. Fit goes out the window and they introduce terms like anti-fit, which is an excuse for anything not fitting properly.
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I don't really think Ivwri's look is something that is ever "pulled-off". It just looks bad.

Is this what to expect from the MC side as this experiment of a thread goes along?
post #41 of 330
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

Alright, fair enough, I'll admit that there is some amount of talent involved in putting together the good outfits on both sides... though SW+D of SF isn't the best place to go about looking for great examples of what's within the SW+D genre, whereas the number of MC-like fora on the internet are limited and much-centered here, so some of the formulas and thinking are going to be convergent since there are crossposters to both.
That said, MC has a rulebook that doesn't really change so much, whereas SW+D by nature changes it's feelings towards things pretty quickly, and hasn't even really scratched the surface in terms of what's out there. What's hot this week may not be next week, in this forum.
I find it easier to put together a decent MC-like outfit than a SW+D outfit that I consider equally nice. It appears that it's the same for others as well, judging by the way the SW+D does MC and MC does SW+D threads turned out. There has to be something behind that, it's not really coming to me so well but I feel it, and have always felt that way.

Think about this though. As a SW&D guy, you are much more attuned to the subtleties of SW&D fits. Case in point - I see a guy in MMM GATs and dior jeans and a 5-zip, and I think he's dressed really cool. You would yawn because it's normal and even unimaginative in your world. Similarly, when I see someone with shoulder divots in his jacket, too much break in his trousers, short collar points on his shirt, shoes on inelegant lasts (incl alden), etc. I think that's a very bad fit. But you guys probably don't see much difference between that type of fit and something vox or manton would post.

Also, to your point about trends, MC has millions of trends that are go in and out - double breasted suits, loud patterned sportcoats, wool ties, gunboat shoes, soft shoulders, structured shoulders, pocket squares, double monks, textured/smooth/heavy/light fabrics etc etc. There's a good thread called "hype cycle" that you should check out.
Edited by johanm - 3/23/12 at 1:50pm
post #42 of 330

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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post
Is this what to expect from the MC side as this experiment of a thread goes along?

 

Come on,it's just the MC equivalent of what you said. I would have expected better from both you and Patrick given your previous postings...
 

 

post #43 of 330
haha. I am just stirring the pot, but yeah I do feel some sort of basis in what I said, at least my natural feelings towards putting together outfits for either side. MC, I see it as just being clothes, trivia, minutia that can't be worn, a lot of the details up there can make even the art of clothesmaking seem like a calculated operation based on numbers and checklists. SWD, I don't know if I can honestly say it's firing on all cylinders, but since a bit of a change in the agenda around 2008 or so, it has aspired more to style with leanings to or at least an interest in the art of fashion.
post #44 of 330
I thought these threads were started with the purpose of understanding difference within two style worlds. Hopefully it does not turn into full on fisticuffs... confused.gif
post #45 of 330
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Originally Posted by ma1 View Post

The pants in the mc photo are fucking hideous. Overall, it's just dull. If I saw the guy on the street, I wouldn't give it a second glance and would think "oh look, there's some rich douchebag probably off to abuse some prostitutes and make fun of poor people at his 'gentlemans club' ". If I saw Ivwri, it would either be "daaaaaamn" or "wow that guy has a lot of balls."

What is this I don't even.
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