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It's great pricing Rambo. They are being extremely aggressive with it. Wouldn't be surprised at all if it sells well. There is a market for unlocked phones.

To be honest, I don't think you understand what the underlying issue here is.
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It's great pricing Rambo. Wouldn't be surprised at all if it sells well. There is a market for unlocked phones. I'm glad they were able to be do aggressive.
To be honest, I don't think you understand what the underlying issue here is.

do remember who you're speaking with. the point I was making is that the fantastically aggressive pricing will be more than enough to overlook the lack of LTE and/or the compromises that Google made with the carriers. Think about it, you save $300 up front and use some MVNO for $40 a month. AND your phone is as good as an iPhone 5? People are going to be all over that like it was a $250 lcd tv at best buy on black friday.
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I was right about the 13 inch Pro with Retina. Looks like that Intel graphic chip really does hold it back.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/1/3585082/13-inch-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review

I think I'll just go with an Air for now and see what the future holds for the Pro's.
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do remember who you're speaking with. the point I was making is that the fantastically aggressive pricing will be more than enough to overlook the lack of LTE and/or the compromises that Google made with the carriers. Think about it, you save $300 up front and use some MVNO for $40 a month. AND your phone is as good as an iPhone 5? People are going to be all over that like it was a $250 lcd tv at best buy on black friday.

I'm fully aware who i am speaking with. Thats why I am surprised you have missed the point here. You represent the type of consumer the Nexus 4 will have success with, but you are not a representation of the masses.

The mainstream mass consumer market in the USA will continue to buy phones at carrier stores. This won't change fundamental buyer habits. Without carrier retail outlets and marketing strength the Nexus 4 won't reach the mass market.

I want to see handsets with stock Android get pushed to the larger audience. I don't see it happening without Google making the deals needed with the carriers. They are a necessary evil in this way.
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I'm fully aware who i am speaking with. Thats why I am surprised you have missed the point here. You represent the type of consumer the Nexus 4 will have success with, but you are not a representation of the masses.
The mainstream mass consumer market in the USA will continue to buy phones at carrier stores. This won't change fundamental buyer habits. Without carrier retail outlets and marketing strength the Nexus 4 won't reach the mass market.
I want to see handsets with stock Android get pushed to the larger audience. I don't see it happening without Google making the deals needed with the carriers. They are a necessary evil in this way.

jesus mary and joseph you're a hardheaded bastard. first off, the masses currently buy more phones at target/walmart/apple/bestbuy/AMAZON than anywhere else. Those are the main points of purchase. Secondly, T-Mobile will in fact be selling it in their stores and I believe AT&T will get it eventually but I'm not positive on that point. Third, and I don't know how you can't see the forest for the trees on this, but every fucking google search, gmail page, G+, etc. will be PLASTERED with adverts for the phone. And Amazon will be selling it at some point if recent history holds. Yes, of course they don't have the marketing budget and retail cachet that Apple does. But to think that they won't be able to get the word out on this bad boy is just silly. Now, we're obviously in agreement on the larger audience point, but I addressed that earlier - they sacrifice all the other models of phones to the manu's and have them deal with the carriers. They keep this one as their baby. Its a numbers game, and Google's winning. Don't forget that.
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Yep their winning the numbers game. That's what happens when every Tom, Dick and Harry manufacturer has access to make phone with your OS.
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Got my phone and have been playing with it for an hour or so. Definitely a huge improvement over my BB. My only complaint so far is that the cord is woefully short and just barely reaches from my outlet to my nightstand.

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jesus mary and joseph you're a hardheaded bastard.

I learned it from watching you, dad!

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first off, the masses currently buy more phones at target/walmart/apple/bestbuy/AMAZON than anywhere else. Those are the main points of purchase.

This statement goes against everything I have read and heard up to now. I'm going to go ahead and pull a CE and ask you to provide some evidence to back this claim.

I believe it might be true with Apple stores and the iPhone, but that's a special case.

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Secondly, T-Mobile will in fact be selling it in their stores and I believe AT&T will get it eventually but I'm not positive on that point.

Well T-Mobile's going to be a HUGE help in pushing those numbers. rolleyes.gif

Let me know when you find anything concrete on AT&T and the date they are to carry it.
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Third, and I don't know how you can't see the forest for the trees on this, but every fucking google search, gmail page, G+, etc. will be PLASTERED with adverts for the phone. And Amazon will be selling it at some point if recent history holds. Yes, of course they don't have the marketing budget and retail cachet that Apple does. But to think that they won't be able to get the word out on this bad boy is just silly.

Again, carrier retail stores and the hands on marketing push the sales reps provide will be missing. I'll wait for the evidence to be provided that carrier chains are not still providing the bulk of handset sales in the USA.
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Now, we're obviously in agreement on the larger audience point, but I addressed that earlier - they sacrifice all the other models of phones to the manu's and have them deal with the carriers. They keep this one as their baby. Its a numbers game, and Google's winning. Don't forget that.

Keep in mind that the subject that you and I are debating here is the Nexus 4, not the Android platform as a whole. You refereed to it as a drop in the hat earlier and I think that's a bad way of looking at it. The handset is Google's own baby and the sole one they have direct control over. It's one of the few you can get in the USA that runs stock Android and it's important. As I said, I want it to do well and I am pointing out some reasons related to the moved Google made that I believe will limit it's possible success.

Yes "Android" as a platform has sold more handsets in the world then any other. No one is disputing that. Now how you define "winning" certainly can be, but I would rather not get into the weeds here.
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http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/1/3584486/nokia-lumia-920-review

well, that's disappointing


It's not a bad score at all and with The Verge you can't just go by the final number they give. You really have to read the reviews.
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It's not a bad score at all and with The Verge you can't just go by the final number they give. You really have to read the reviews.

I did. Its big, bulky, camera is not very easy to use, and WM8 is still short on apps and whatnot. But, the camera does take great pics and videos.
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I did. Its big, bulky, camera is not very easy to use, and WM8 is still short on apps and whatnot. But, the camera does take great pics and videos.


Yeah, the issues with WM8 are going to be around for a while. I think it's going to take some time for them to get the app store up to an acceptable point.

Surprised they didn't do a direct comparison with the iPhone 5's camera.
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Yeah, the issues with WM8 are going to be around for a while. I think it's going to take some time for them to get the app store up to an acceptable point.
Surprised they didn't do a direct comparison with the iPhone 5's camera.

I think we'll see that once they've done the Nexus 4 review
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I did. Its big, bulky, camera is not very easy to use, and WP8 is still short on apps and whatnot. But, the camera does take great pics and videos.

I must be an Nokia fanboi, since I read that review totally different. It sounds like a very decent phone. I like the camera output as shown on the site. I also enjoy muted colours in photos. Regarding apps I use little besides Google maps, google mail, browser, Runkeeper and a radio app. I'd be happier with a decent FM radio, though. I would like to be able to use skype via wifi at home, I think, but never do. My main gripe at the moment is the probable lack of an orientation lock. I'm hoping someone will jailbreak (to stay with this thread's vernacular) it to at least add that item for the browser or at least write a decent app for that. (one other app that is used by me on my Android phone).
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I also throught the review read in a positive light. Seems like a good phone, with a few issues. Many which we knew were coming. I love the industrial design and WP8 has loads of potential.

Still, I don't think it's enough to drastically change the platforms sales momentum. It won't generate a lot of platform switchers.
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