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post #2791 of 4017
When you move to a new platform you are buying into the design intent of the maker. Apple products operate as they intend them too because they have different priorities and view certain issues as priorities. Listen to the privacy issue Jobs discussed. From his point of view Apple software will probably never allow a program to search other areas like facebook to retrieve photos because he sees that as a vulnerability to your privacy. Buy a product that has features that agree with you and do things the way you want or adapt a product to your liking.

It's like saying Kiton sucks because they don't make as many peak lapel suits as Ralph Lauren does. Gotta have peaks.
post #2792 of 4017
Despos, is it peak lapels, or "peaked" lapels. Does it depend on the temperature?
post #2793 of 4017
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Originally Posted by JMRouse View Post

This is a great point and should be kept in mind during online discussions like this. Android users often like to point out the use of custom ROMs and kernels as a major plus for the platform, but this is ignoring the reality of the mass market. Most people have no idea what a ROM is or would ever bother to root their device. You can brag all day long about how "open" Android is, but that's not a concept in the world that most smartphone owners live in.
I also have yet to hear a compelling argument on how installing a custom ROM on an Android device is all that much different then jail-breaking an iPhone. Depending on the hardware there may or may not be a few more steps, but the end result seems to bear similar fruit.
It's a fair point. I agree. However my father absolutely LOVES his Galaxy Nexus that I bought him this year as an upgrade to his 3G which had a wireless chip failure.

Android has come a very long way since it was first released. Since ICS and JellyBean have come out, stock Android is awesome. I agree that it was not very good before and rooting and custom ROMs were almost a must. Of course, this is ignoring the fact that Android has its "fragmentation" issues and the vast majority of devices are not using the later versions of Android. That's a big shortcoming of the platform.

My Xoom is rooted but my Nexus 7 is not even though it's very easy to do since it's a Google device. Like easy enough that my tech unsavvy father could do it. The thing is that I don't even need to. I can install a launcher (if I wanted to; I don't) or change my keyboard without needing to. You don't have to root Android to do the customizations. My next phone is most definitely going to be a Google Nexus device so I don't have to root it to remove all the BS the carriers install.

I appreciate that you don't have to do that with Apple devices. I bought my dad a mac mini to use as his desktop so he wouldn't have to tinker. However, I don't like that if I wanted to I couldn't change many things about my phone if I had an iPhone. Many people don't care (some because they don't know better/differently and others because they don't want to). For all the customization you can do in Android, my homescreen setup is very simple. I only use one widget which is something that lets me adjust settings such as brightness, silent/vibrate vs only silent, wifi and bluetooth without having to actually go into my settings. Thing is that I love that functionality so much I would never switch to an iPhone because of this feature alone.

I personally feel that there should be a happy medium between Apple's locked-down state and Google's overly-open nature. Apple's big strength is the fixed hardware being developed for (this goes for their computers too). There are very few unknowns/variations which allow things to be optimized. I think Android would be much better without all the skin nonsense that each company has that makes upgrading the OS either impossible or have a very long delay. At the same time, Apple is too locked down. What they give you is what you have. I don't like the stock Android voice (think Siri; which also sounds terrible IMO) so I changed it to something that's almost human-sounding to me. Much better. I prefer Swiftkey keyboard to stock. So I changed that too. I simply cannot do that on the iPhone. As I said, some people don't care cause they're happy with things how they are but I also feel that some people don't know what else is out there so they just accept things. Again, there has to be some inbetween.

http://svoxmobilevoices.wordpress.com/demos/ Check out the Victoria UK voice. I use that over the US English voices. Obviously not perfect but sounds a lot better than the default Android and Siri voices. I don't like how robotic they sound. Of course, I'm sure some people do like that aspect. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Edited by Jumbie - 10/16/12 at 8:59am
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ummm, you want to delete that post? This isn't your tech blog. At least spoiler that wall of text.

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Sorry, didn't know I needed your permission to post here.

Didn't realize the pics would come out so large though.

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ummm, you want to delete that post? This isn't your tech blog. At least spoiler that wall of text.


Yeah, because having to scroll past it is such an inconvenience. rolleyes.gif
post #2797 of 4017
The main reason this debate exists is that most Apple fanbois are simple minded, self important, condescending insufferable cunts who are unable to comprehend that what works best for them might not be what works best for everyone else.
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The main reason this debate exists is that most Android fanbois are simple minded, self important, condescending insufferable cunts who are unable to comprehend that what works best for them might not be what works best for everyone else.


FTFY
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The main reason this debate exists is that most Apple fanbois are simple minded, self important, condescending insufferable cunts who are unable to comprehend that what works best for them might not be what works best for everyone else.

This is a bit of hyperbole but a milder statement is exactly how I feel about the situation and replies to my posts bear it out pretty clearly. I think a milder statement that, for some reason, Apple users tend to be overly protective of their chosen product and do not take to even slight criticism of it well would be a pretty accurate summation.
post #2800 of 4017
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Originally Posted by JMRouse View Post

FTFY

Strongly disagree on this point. Phrasing was over the top, but I think much of the debate is a result of the fact that Apple fanbois derive some weird sense of superiority over the technology products they purchase, and arguments are mostly a result of Android users coming up with reasons to try to get the Apple people off their backs. I don't understand why anyone would have so much loyalty to a corporation. I buy whatever product suits my needs best.

Simple minded - apparently more than one button is overwhelming to the fanbois. Two buttons? Which to push?!? Oh no!
Self important - think others care about their opinions regarding technology purchases
Condescending - think they're better than you because of their smart phone
Cunts - pretty much a result of the above three

And it's worth pointing out that I do not consider all Apple fans "fanbois".
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

This is a bit of hyperbole but a milder statement is exactly how I feel about the situation and replies to my posts bear it out pretty clearly. I think a milder statement that, for some reason, Apple users tend to be overly protective of their chosen product and do not take to even slight criticism of it well would be a pretty accurate summation.

This I can live with.
post #2801 of 4017
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

This is a bit of hyperbole but a milder statement is exactly how I feel about the situation and replies to my posts bear it out pretty clearly.


Really? I challenge you to go back and reread this thread. As I pointed out before, most Apple fans/product owners who have posted here have had very reasonable positions on the topic. They have not held the iPhone or iOS up as the be all, end all as a mobile platform. Have also been willing to acknowledge some of the weaknesses of the platform when they agree with them. With few exceptions, I have seen little evidence of them being condescending/insufferable cunts to others.

If anything this thread has shown the opposite of DCG proposition. How many posts were made in this thread calling users of Apple products sheep, blind fanboys and other insults? How much trolling (even of the good natured sort) has been done over it's near 3K posts? It's been very telling.
post #2802 of 4017
^Your reply was directed at Piob, but since I was mentioned I'll point out that my comments are in reference to the Apple fanbase at large, not the SF contingent.
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Originally Posted by dcg View Post

Strongly disagree on this point. Phrasing was over the top, but I think much of the debate is a result of the fact that Apple fanbois derive some weird sense of superiority over the technology products they purchase, and arguments are mostly a result of Android users coming up with reasons to try to get the Apple people off their backs. I don't understand why anyone would have so much loyalty to a corporation. I buy whatever product suits my needs best.

Simple minded - apparently more than one button is overwhelming to the fanbois. Two buttons? Which to push?!? Oh no!
Self important - think others care about their opinions regarding technology purchases
Condescending - think they're better than you because of their smart phone
Cunts - pretty much a result of the above three

And it's worth pointing out that I do not consider all Apple fans "fanbois".


Where are these Apple fans getting on your back?

Let's look at the rest of your statement:

Simple minded - apparently more than one button is overwhelming to the fanbois. Two buttons? Which to push?!? Oh no! Where do you get this? Are you talking hardware buttons? Apple believes that it's best to leave other functions to the software touchscreen. Many of the buttons are replicated there as needed. No one gets confused.
Self important - think others care about their opinions regarding technology purchases This is a thread dedicated to the iPhone 5. What do you think is going to be the focus here? It seems to me that it's the people who don't care for Apple that want to keep sharing their opinions here as to why. There are several threads on this very forum focused on Android (and other rival mobile OS products) and I don't Apple fans doing the same in them.
Condescending - think they're better than you because of their smart phone Where are you getting this? There is a difference between believing the product you own is better then a rival product and believing that fact somehow makes you a better person then them. I'm not seeing this attitude here.
Cunts - pretty much a result of the above three Ok, sure.


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^Your reply was directed at Piob, but since I was mentioned I'll point out that my comments are in reference to the Apple fanbase at large, not the SF contingent.


And I believe it's a stereotype that while true for some, doesn't hold up to scrutiny on the whole.
post #2804 of 4017
I have never touched an android phone. Do I think my iPhone is better than the android? Yes. Yes, I do. nod[1].gif
post #2805 of 4017
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Originally Posted by JMRouse View Post


And I believe it's a stereotype that while true for some, doesn't hold up to scrutiny on the whole.

Again, I'm not talking so much about SF Apple fans as I am about Apple fanbois IRL and elsewhere online. So yes, it is a stereotype that is true for some. And those for which it is true are extremely annoying.
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