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post #991 of 6250
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post

This has come up a couple of times in this this thread, and I don't understand why people have trouble with the idea that Zimmerman could have done this. At the very least, if someone is on top of you banging your head into the ground, there's going to be some distance between you as they move up and down. Assuming the banging his head thing is true for the sake of this comment, it's even more likely that Martin was sitting on Zimmerman, sort of like cowgirl sex. That leaves more than enough space. Even if neither of these scenarios occurred, the Kel-Tec is a really, really small gun, and it's not inconceivable that Zimmerman could have gotten it between them in the struggle, even if the two were pretty well pressed together. I mean, there's going to be some movement.
I'm not saying I necessarily buy Zimmerman's story, but I certainly don't think the fact that Martin took the shots to the chest pokes any holes in it.

There are several reasons.

1) in real world, if you are punched hard enough that it breaks your nose and knocks you to the ground and get your head banged against the concrete several times you will be pretty much out of commission for at least a few minutes, likely much longer.

2) If they were in cowgirl sex how could he draw the gun out of its holster/pants?

3) if you manage to draw your gun somehow, you would not want to forcibly wedge it between the attackers arms (that are banging your head to the ground) where he could see it and try to grab it. You would aim it to his side or stomach, out of his view and reach.

4) If you were fighting for your life you would empty the magazine in panic not just take two quick shots, unless you are an elite special forces guy who lives to kill and understand exactly how bullets affect people.
post #992 of 6250
I saw some idiot chick at the grocery store yesterday wearing a hoodie for the cause.
post #993 of 6250
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

I saw some idiot chick at the grocery store yesterday wearing a hoodie for the cause.

WYHI?
post #994 of 6250
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Originally Posted by cross22 View Post

There are several reasons.
1) in real world, if you are punched hard enough that it breaks your nose and knocks you to the ground and get your head banged against the concrete several times you will be pretty much out of commission for at least a few minutes, likely much longer.
2) If they were in cowgirl sex how could he draw the gun out of its holster/pants?
3) if you manage to draw your gun somehow, you would not want to forcibly wedge it between the attackers arms (that are banging your head to the ground) where he could see it and try to grab it. You would aim it to his side or stomach, out of his view and reach.
4) If you were fighting for your life you would empty the magazine in panic not just take two quick shots, unless you are an elite special forces guy who lives to kill and understand exactly how bullets affect people.

I had the exact same reservations about Zimmerman's account. Also, if he was sufficiently injured to require him to use deadly force to repel the attack, why didn't he go to the hospital that night? Where is the medical documentation of the alleged broken nose?
post #995 of 6250
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post #996 of 6250
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Originally Posted by cross22 View Post

WYHI?

Non capisco.
post #997 of 6250
Goddamit, I thought hoodies were finally on their way out, after having pervaded every damn corner of men's fashion. Now we're going to have to put up with them for another couple of years, at least.
post #998 of 6250
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Originally Posted by cross22 View Post

There are several reasons.
1) in real world, if you are punched hard enough that it breaks your nose and knocks you to the ground and get your head banged against the concrete several times you will be pretty much out of commission for at least a few minutes, likely much longer.
2) If they were in cowgirl sex how could he draw the gun out of its holster/pants?
3) if you manage to draw your gun somehow, you would not want to forcibly wedge it between the attackers arms (that are banging your head to the ground) where he could see it and try to grab it. You would aim it to his side or stomach, out of his view and reach.
4) If you were fighting for your life you would empty the magazine in panic not just take two quick shots, unless you are an elite special forces guy who lives to kill and understand exactly how bullets affect people.

1) I've witnessed firsthand that this isn't the case. Hell, I've been attacked unexpectedly, pinned down and headbutted and had no trouble keeping my wits about me, and I'm not a big dude by any means.
2) The holster was pushed up in the struggle. Holsters are designed to allow the weapon to be held snugly while drawing smoothly. Martin didn't pinch his legs together to hold Zimmerman down. It wasn't a belt holster. There are myriad reasons this likely wasn't an issue.
3) I would want to fire with both hands if at all possible, especially if I'm being attacked. Or I'd want to slide it up one handed between us, rather than hold it out next to us so the guy attacking me can see/grab it more easily.
4) This might be the case, but, as has been mentioned prior in this thread, the center mass double tap is the preferred method of shooting someone. It might surprise us that Zimmerman had mastered that technique, but I'm not going to condemn him because he's too good at what he did.
post #999 of 6250
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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post

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damn, beat me to it
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Originally Posted by AP 
“Racial profiling has to stop,” said the congressman as he removed his suit jacket. “Just because someone is wearing a hoodie doesn’t make them a hoodlum.”

He was then interrupted by the presiding officer, Rep. Gregg Harper (R.-Miss.), who told him that wearing hats was against the rules.

“Members need to remove their hoods or leave the floor,” said Harper.

Rush continued his speech before being escorted off the floor.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rep-bobby-rush-d-ill-reprimanded-house-floor-wearing-hoodie-honor-trayvon-martin-article-1.1052187#ixzz1qRhS2yo0
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BAM BAM BAM... the member WILL suspend ... lulz



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post #1001 of 6250
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Originally Posted by cross22 View Post

There are several reasons.
1) in real world, if you are punched hard enough that it breaks your nose and knocks you to the ground and get your head banged against the concrete several times you will be pretty much out of commission for at least a few minutes, likely much longer.
2) If they were in cowgirl sex how could he draw the gun out of its holster/pants?
3) if you manage to draw your gun somehow, you would not want to forcibly wedge it between the attackers arms (that are banging your head to the ground) where he could see it and try to grab it. You would aim it to his side or stomach, out of his view and reach.
4) If you were fighting for your life you would empty the magazine in panic not just take two quick shots, unless you are an elite special forces guy who lives to kill and understand exactly how bullets affect people.

That's an awful lot of conclusory statements.
post #1002 of 6250
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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post

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Good Jebuz.
post #1003 of 6250
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Originally Posted by imatlas View Post

Goddamit, I thought hoodies were finally on their way out, after having pervaded every damn corner of men's fashion. Now we're going to have to put up with them for another couple of years, at least.

I like hoodies biggrin.gif
post #1004 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Bradford View Post

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Originally Posted by imatlas View Post

Goddamit, I thought hoodies were finally on their way out, after having pervaded every damn corner of men's fashion. Now we're going to have to put up with them for another couple of years, at least.

I like hoodies biggrin.gif

I do to. For lazing around the house, or walking the dog (if I had a dog, that is). What I don't like is shit like this:

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post #1005 of 6250
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Originally Posted by cross22 View Post

I am amazed that he was able to shoot him. A gun is practically useless in a hand to hand combat. I can not imagine how you can shoot someone in the chest if he is on top of you banging your head to the ground. If you were incredibly lucky you could maybe shoot him in the side or maybe in the lower stomach. I think it is more likely that they disengaged and had some distance between them before he could shoot him in the chest.
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Originally Posted by cross22 View Post

There are several reasons.
1) in real world, if you are punched hard enough that it breaks your nose and knocks you to the ground and get your head banged against the concrete several times you will be pretty much out of commission for at least a few minutes, likely much longer.
2) If they were in cowgirl sex how could he draw the gun out of its holster/pants?
3) if you manage to draw your gun somehow, you would not want to forcibly wedge it between the attackers arms (that are banging your head to the ground) where he could see it and try to grab it. You would aim it to his side or stomach, out of his view and reach.
4) If you were fighting for your life you would empty the magazine in panic not just take two quick shots, unless you are an elite special forces guy who lives to kill and understand exactly how bullets affect people.

We've got our very own Henry Fonda here.

Look, dude, you hold the gun on the side of your chest. Elbow out. Push the other guy away with your weakside hand. Like this. (gestures)
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