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post #5851 of 6250
Zimmerman may be a scumbag BUT I think it's painfully obvious that he wasn't the aggressor in the Trayvon situation, and I don't see how anyone could look at the evidence and think that he was.
post #5852 of 6250
Dunno, some people may consider being followed around as seeking confrontation.
post #5853 of 6250
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Originally Posted by gladhands View Post



I find it inderesting, however, that so many people on this forum are willing to take Trayvon's character into account when passing judgment on the events of that evening, but not Zimmerman's. It's always qualified with a "but". Zimmerman may be a scumbag, BUT...

and I've probably been guilty of that, to some degree, partly justified by the fact that Zimmerman's character incidents were 7 and 8 years prior to the shooting, and Trayvon's character incidents were recent. The only eyewitness placed Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, physically assaulting him, and that is what convinced me that Zimmerman acted in self defense.
post #5854 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Joffrey View Post

Dunno, some people may consider being followed around as seeking confrontation.

Some people need to look at the evidence again, but if some people haven't done it by this point then I'm never going to convince them.
post #5855 of 6250
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Originally Posted by gladhands View Post

As I've said in the past, I believe that zimmerman was the aggressor and that he did, in fact murder Trayvon. I'm okay with the verdict because I don't believe the prosecution made it's case in court.

I find it inderesting, however, that so many people on this forum are willing to take Trayvon's character into account when passing judgment on the events of that evening, but not Zimmerman's. It's always qualified with a "but". Zimmerman may be a scumbag, BUT...

What I found interesting was how many people in this thread took it as metaphysical certitude Zimmerman was/is a raging racist. I will make the BUT statement of, "Zimmerman shows every sign of being a scumbag, should never be allowed to own a gun again, BUT there was not a single credible shred of evidence that he "racially profiled" Martin and//or that he was/is the confirmed racist MILLIONS of people think he is due to the media's narrative."
post #5856 of 6250
FWIW, I don't really care if Zimmerman was a racist, did "profile" him, or even if he did follow him for 4 minutes to travel 80 yards. Doesn't change my analysis one bit, and why should it? None of those thing are illegal and none of them factor into whether it's justified to defend yourself from an attack.
post #5857 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

It takes two mistakes make an accident.

Maybe it takes two violent yobbos to make a fight to the death.
Not sure if there's any intended irony here, but both of those statements seem like the kind of aphorisms that try to pass as universal truths but are in fact completely wrong.
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Zimmerman may be a scumbag BUT I think it's painfully obvious that he wasn't the aggressor in the Trayvon situation, and I don't see how anyone could look at the evidence and think that he was.

Unburdened by any familiarity with the evidence, I'm free to think as I please.
post #5858 of 6250
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CreekDog (38,709 posts)

Let's wait till all the facts of the latest Zimmerman case are in before we pass judgement

... on this murdering racist psycho.
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Star Member calimary (32,257 posts)
6. And I was all ready to argue with you, CreekDog...

Until I opened the thread!

Yes, let us argue not to wait until the actual facts are in.
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crim son (26,633 posts)
7. smile.gif Whew!

For a moment I thought you'd gone to the dark side.


Dog whistle.
post #5859 of 6250
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

To Crane and the Lawyers out there.

Do any of you know if Z would be able to keep his CCW if he is convicted of a non-minor misdemeanor.

If we're talking about a domestic violence charge the answer is no. He also won't be owning any guns or ammo either. At least legally. Other misdemeanors may or may not be a problem.

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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

A misdemeanor domestic violence conviction would probably disqualify him from possessing a firearm under federal law. But he could still ccw a knife! I think.

In my state we have concealed carry weapons permits. We can pretty much carry anything that is considered/defined as a dangerous weapon. The only exception would be devices that are considered illegal to own by fed law. An "ordinary" pocket knife is not considered a weapon in my state. Now if the blade on a folder is over 4 inches then it's not considered to be "ordinary" anymore and is considered a weapon. I can carry just about any single edged fixed blade knife openly. Carrying it concealed is not allowed without a CCW permit. Having a CCW permit allows me to carry double edged fixed blades which are considered weapons here. Same goes for push knives, dirks daggers and so on. Without a permit it's a felony to carry any of these open or concealed.

It's pretty confusing. LOL!

If he loses his permit and ends up with a conviction that precludes him from gun ownership he better do his homework if he wants to carry a knife. A "simple and ordinary" pocket knife may very well end up getting him a felony weapons charge.
post #5860 of 6250
Even a scumbag can be raped. Er, even a prostitute can act in self defense. Er, something like that.
post #5861 of 6250
Even a dog can shake hands.

People who live in wheat houses shouldn't throw locusts.
post #5862 of 6250
A fool and his money soon earn a Master's Degree in Anthropology.
post #5863 of 6250
Bed is the poor man's Super Bowl

He who would pun would Stand Your Ground.

Gluttony kills more than the AR-15

A friend to Edinatlanta is a friend to none.
post #5864 of 6250
You can catch more flies with honey than you can with an assault rifle.
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A friend to Edinatlanta is a friend to none.

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