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post #5731 of 6250
There was a trial, evidence and testimony given, deliberations took place, and a not guilty verdict delivered.

I don't care what you have to say to the contrary unless you can deliver irrefutable proof to the table. I'll save you a whole lot of time. There's nothing out there to make any valid claim contrary to what was presented in court. The horse is dead. Really. Get over it.
post #5732 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

There was a trial, evidence and testimony given, deliberations took place, and a not guilty verdict delivered.

I don't care what you have to say to the contrary unless you can deliver irrefutable proof to the table. I'll save you a whole lot of time. There's nothing out there to make any valid claim contrary to what was presented in court. The horse is dead. Really. Get over it.
I still am not even sure what the point being disputed here is, but that seems to overstate things a bit. To my understanding, a whole bunch o'stuff was presented in court. And presumably at least some of it was subject to more than one reasonable conclusion or interpretation. That's why we have juries.
It's certainly true that the verdict is, legally, a conclusive determination of the issues that were tried. And from what I gathered -- not following nearly as closely as some of the folks posting in this thread -- it sounds like it was the correct legal verdict on the evidence presented.

And the horse may be dead, but we've had a whole village of taxidermists keeping it upright.
post #5733 of 6250
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Well it's certainly meant to be provocative, but you must admit that certain posters seem to be in a rush to discredit the accounts of anyone but GZ and the white male eyewitness. Trayvon was a brutal thug. Rachael Jeantel is a liar and a moron. Shellie Zimmerman is a hysterical, estranged wife. The Medical examiner is a kook.

Those things are all true, though.*

Yes, Zimmerman is a piece of shit and I wouldn't let him in my house. But he did not commit murder. Full stop. End of story.


*Trayvon may not have been a brutal thug, but he was clearly a wannabe gangsta. The rest remain true.
post #5734 of 6250
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Those things are all true, though.*

Yes, Zimmerman is a piece of shit and I wouldn't let him in my house. But he did not commit murder. Full stop. End of story.


*Trayvon may not have been a brutal thug, but he was clearly a wannabe gangsta. The rest remain true.


Oh Harvey, there you go again. facepalm.gif

You are soooo old school, aren't you? With all of your facts, all of your analysis, all of your legal tests. crackup[1].gif

It's the narrative, stupid.

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Michael B. Nifong--the district attorney who pursued Seligmann, Finnerty and teammate David Evans even as evidence of their innocence mounted and his case imploded--was held accountable for his actions. Hours after Seligmann testified, Nifong announced his intention to resign; the next day, he was disbarred.

The media incurred no such penalties. No loss of license, no disciplinary panels, no prolonged public humiliation for the reporters, columnists, cable TV pundits, editorial writers and editors who trumpeted the "Duke lacrosse rape case" and even the "gang-rape case" in front-page headlines, on the nightly news and on strident cable shoutfests.

Of course, Nifong had information and power the media did not. His failing in the case cannot be overstated, nor can it be equated to that of a throng of journalists and pundits, however odious some of their reporting and commentary. But the media deserve a public reckoning, too, a remonstrance for coverage that--albeit with admirable exceptions--all too eagerly embraced the inflammatory statements of a prosecutor in the midst of a tough election campaign. Fueled by Nifong, the media quickly latched onto a narrative too seductive to check: rich, wild, white jocks had brutalized a working class, black mother of two.

"It was too delicious a story," says Daniel Okrent, a former New York Times public editor, who is critical of the Times' coverage and that of many other news organizations. "It conformed too well to too many preconceived notions of too many in the press: white over black, rich over poor, athletes over non-athletes, men over women, educated over non-educated. Wow. That's a package of sins that really fit the preconceptions of a lot of us."


http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=4379
post #5735 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

There was a trial, evidence and testimony given, deliberations took place, and a not guilty verdict delivered.

I don't care what you have to say to the contrary unless you can deliver irrefutable proof to the table. I'll save you a whole lot of time. There's nothing out there to make any valid claim contrary to what was presented in court. The horse is dead. Really. Get over it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the medical examiner not saying that he has that evidence but was prohibited from presenting it in court?
post #5736 of 6250
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the medical examiner not saying that he has that evidence but was prohibited from presenting it in court?

Ever hear of something called perjury or utter incompetence?
post #5737 of 6250
He says it, but he doesn't say what it is. There's a surprise. An immensely qualified and apparently much more competent pathologist testified to the exact opposite. And he explained why.

There's a lot of reasons the prosecutors might not have asked Bao to give that testimony, though one stands out: he wouldn't have been credible. If you watched the prosecutors' press conference after the verdict, it was obvious they sincerely believed in their case -- whatever it was; they didn't have a coherent theory, but I digress. Anyway, they didn't throw the case.
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Ever hear of something called perjury or utter incompetence?

This is my point: the seemingly automatic assumption that anyone with information contrary to Zimmerman's accounts is incompetent or a liar.
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This is my point: the seemingly automatic assumption that anyone with information contrary to Zimmerman's accounts is incompetent or a liar.

See Ata's reply.
post #5740 of 6250
Starring Michael Douglas as Robert Zimmerman, Sr.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-trayvon-martin-movie-pictures,0,3557859.photogallery
post #5741 of 6250
I laughed at Alan Thicke as O'Mara.
post #5742 of 6250
They had to kind of scrape the bottom of the barrel to find normal looking people in Hollywood. I have no idea who that guy is.
post #5743 of 6250
It's the dad on Growing Pains.

His (real life, not TV) son is an R & B singer who had the biggest pop hit this summer.
post #5744 of 6250
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Originally Posted by gladhands View Post

Well it's certainly meant to be provocative, but you must admit that certain posters seem to be in a rush to discredit the accounts of anyone but GZ and the white male eyewitness. Trayvon was a brutal thug. Rachael Jeantel is a liar and a moron. Shellie Zimmerman is a hysterical, estranged wife. The Medical examiner is a kook.

I forgot to ask yesterday: who were the white male eyewitnesses? That's important for your thesis here.
post #5745 of 6250
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the medical examiner not saying that he has that evidence but was prohibited from presenting it in court?

I will bet you a sawbuck that "evidence" if it ever does come out is nothing more than his own incompetent opinion.

Seriously go back and watch his testimony, or read some of the reactions in here while he was testifying. The man barely speaks English and clearly doesn't know anything about what he's doing. He was the biggest failure of the prosecution's case. Even Nancy Grace struggled to come to the support of his testimony.

EDIT - Further, I wrote many times in this thread that I thought the state could be throwing the case. One problem with this though - they didn't throw it by not asking Dr. Quack questions, if anything they threw it by putting him on the stand in the first place.

FURTHER EDIT - My as then experience watching the trial -
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No mention.

And jesus christ Prosecutors, it's fucking paramount that your expert witness can speak English. You can get away with that dumb girl friend of the "victim" not understanding English but not the Medical Examiner.

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The ME just said something that "a person who never changes his opinion is mentally retarded." Or something similar. He's barely coherent. But he did use the phrase "mentally retarded."

Those who live in glass houses and all.

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The ME has "changed his mind" on a dozen different issues in the last few weeks. Such as how long Trayvon lived after the shooting, how much THC was in Trayvon's blood, etc. Nothing is a material element of the case but it's a whole lot of stuff to change your mind on at the last minute and further shows how incompetent this guy is.

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The level of THC in Trayvon's system would be high enough to render him DUI if he were pulled over driving a car, but it's the Dr.'s opinion that it "could have had some effect or could have had no effect" on his behaviour.

I think THC levels for DUI are bullshit, but if you're going to create a standard then it has to apply equally or else it's patently a bunch of shit.

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ME - "I do not remember anything."

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ME - "I did not write the protocol, I don't know."

On why they use 1 stick to probe underneath all the deceased's fingernails instead of an individual stick for each fingernail.

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Of course it's an appointed position.

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Dr. Bao: "Yes, we tried for peripheral blood"
West: "How do you know?"
Dr. Bao: "I dont remember"

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It's just embarrassing how the ME has fallen apart.

I suspect West is prolonging this because he doesn't want to start the defense on a Friday afternoon, because this is just painful to watch.

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ME - "I have read many books."

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West - "let's talk about Trayon Martin's height"

Bao - "I never said height because a dead man cannot stand."

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West - "Was this hands on experience?"

Dr. Bao - "My hands was not on, my eye was on."

Edited by Harold falcon - 9/12/13 at 9:27am
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