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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Officials have been tight lipped about whether Zimmerman caused the accident or not.

No proof he didn't. That's enough for me. And would he have helped the victim if he was black?
post #5177 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

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Got strawman?  I was specifically talked about the damage an unprotected human head would sustain after being forcefully slammed against against concrete.  What damage nfl players sustain or what damage top level mma fighters may or may not inflict with their hands and feet are not relevant to the discussion. 

You are only proving your own ignorance at not having watched the trial or reviewed any of the available evidence. You may continue to base your understanding of this case on your emotional reaction to the false narrative supplied by CRT proponents but please keep it to yourself as it's embarrassing to watch.
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Dr. Di Maio testified that Mr. Zimmerman suffered at least six identifiable injuries to his face and head. Among them, he said, were two separate swollen spots on his head, along with rows of red spots, that were consistent with the assault that Mr. Zimmerman had described. A nose injury — most likely a broken nose that was pushed back in place, he said — and markings on his forehead were consistent with punches, he added.

The fact that there were only two small cuts to the back of the head does not mean his head did not strike the concrete, Dr. Di Maio said.

Head injuries do not necessarily cause visible bleeding, he said. The bleeding often occurs inside the skull, which is why CT scans are used on people with head injuries.

“Everyone has fallen and hit their head, and you don’t get lacerations,” Dr. Di Maio said. “You can get severe head trauma actually without any marks on the head. Or you can get marks, lacerations and contusions and have head trauma.”

Intracranial bleeding is often the most worrisome wound resulting from head injury. As the brain crashes into the skull, it can cause concussions, impairment and death, he said. Dr. Di Maio said Mr. Zimmerman’s wounds could have caused him to feel stunned. The injuries did not appear to be life-threatening, he said.

“Concrete doesn’t yield when your head hits concrete,” he said. “Your head yields to the concrete.”
post #5178 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post


Would you like me to post a photo of 22 caliber gunshot wound to the head? The external damage is much smaller than what Zimmerman sustained. As has been pointed out you can sustain little if any external damage while sustaining massive internal injury. I know of an automobile fatality where a young girl died from brain damage because her head was turned just right when the collision occurred. The collision speed was less than 10 miles an hour and she was seat belted and her head hit nothing. From what I understand her brain was literally split in half. She died instantly.

Keep grasping at straws, if nothing else it's entertaining to see such stupidity in action.

 

Did he sustain internal head injuries head?  Trauma/bruising of the brain?  CSF leaking?  Did a ct scan show any of this?  I don't remember ever reading or hearing anything about this. I did avoid the initial hoopla around teh case so maybe I missed it

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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

No proof he didn't. That's enough for me. And would he have helped the victim if he was black?

This guy will do anything for attention won't he?
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Did he sustain internal head injuries head? Trauma/bruising of the brain? CSF leaking? Did a ct scan show any of this? I don't remember ever reading or hearing anything about this. I did avoid the initial hoopla around teh case so maybe I missed it

IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER! He was being attacked. The neighbor confirmed seeing Martin on top attacking him. Also the angle of the gunshot wound indicates the same thing. He was in reasonable fear of bodily harm. Or do you think Martin was just on top of him for some other reason?
post #5180 of 6250
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Looks like Zimmerman is in the news again

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/story?id=19735432

Doesn't fit the narrative. Must disregard.
post #5181 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

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Got strawman? I was specifically talked about the damage an unprotected human head would sustain after being forcefully slammed against against concrete. What damage nfl players sustain or what damage top level mma fighters may or may not inflict with their hands and feet are not relevant to the discussion.

And then you specifically compared it to a kid getting his head whacked on the grass. You started the non-exact comparisons. You, not me. Strawman yourself.
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

My kid fell hit his head on the ground (grass) once and had a concussion that affected him for over a year: no gym class, no soccer no physical exertion whatsoever.  He also had headaches that lasted for teh next year and a half.  Zimerman's head was repeatedly slammed against the concrete yet he only had 2 small cuts, no concussion and no long term brain trauma?  I'm not buying it

You then told us about injuries form "single blows" and then said something stupid about super powers.
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

I've seen many kids injured from single blows.  I've sat in the concussion clinic of Washington Hospital Center and read countless medical journals while getting myself up to speed on concussions.  And I'm not buy the story that his head was slammed on the concrete multiple times without causing long term injuries

Bu maybe Zimmerman has super powers like Mr. Fantastic or Plasticman.  It could happen...

Now let's apply something to this you are going to hate: science.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/08/060814-fight-science_2.html
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Kelly was in charge of conducting tests at the Fight Science studio and supplied the project with a $150,000 (U.S.) government-certified crash-test dummy.

"The dummy used for the experiment was one typically used in the automotive industry," Kelly said.

We took the dummy and put in sensors that would be more appropriate for the application of martial artists."

These so-called load-cell sensors were placed in strategic areas on the dummy, such as the upper neck, lower neck, chest, and knee.

Another device called a potentiometer was placed in the dummy's chest to measure displacement caused by a frontal strike.

The fighters themselves were fitted with reflective markers and sensors in their shoes that allowed scientists to track and create computer animations of how the body generates each attack.

More Powerful Than a Sledgehammer

In one experiment, experts in karate, boxing, kung fu, and tae kwon do all took turns striking the dummy in the face.

The researchers were surprised to find that boxing is the fighting style capable of delivering the most force in a single punch.

Boxer Steve Petramale delivered about 1,000 pounds (453.6 kilograms) of impact force, the equivalent of swinging a sledgehammer into someone's face.

I would have to think being hit in the face with a sledgehammer is equivalent enough to this scenario, that under your anecdotal criteria for sustaining a concussion, it would happen each and every time one of these blows lands. It does not.
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Strong as a Car Crash

But martial artists are perhaps best known for being able to deliver devastating kicks.

To test this power, Kelly had the participants use their unique styles to land kicks on the dummy's chest.

The tae kwon do spinning back kick delivered more than 1,500 pounds (680.4 kilograms) of force, while the kung fu flying double kick produced about 1,000 pounds (453.6 kilograms) of force.

But the undisputed winner practices a discipline known for its ability to deliver a knockout: Muay Thai, also known as Thai boxing.


Melchor Menor, a former two-time Muay Thai world champion, uses a simple technique to incapacitate his opponents: a knee to the chest at close quarters.

Menor himself was surprised at how powerful this move can be.

"I wasn't expecting to have the highest force. When he said the power of the knee [kick] was equal to the power of a 35-mile-an-hour [56.3-kilometer-an-hour] car crash, it was humbling."

The displacement sensor in the dummy's chest measured nearly two inches (five centimeters) of chest compression from Menor's knee strike.

Done yet?
post #5182 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Now he's a wannabe paramedic too? The guy is a loose cannon.

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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Officials have been tight lipped about whether Zimmerman caused the accident or not.

Of course he caused it. The fact that he claims his vehicle only came upon the scene after the accident is of no moment. We have an accident and Zimmerman mysteriously on the scene. Common sense tells you he is responsible. He set it up to look like a hero. Everyone knows you don't move someone that may have a spinal cord injury, but Zimmerman did. Why would he do this? B/c he know the person wasn't really injured --- because he set it up! It is the only conclusion that can be reached here.
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not to get bogged down in the details of the mechanics of the fight - a relatively light guy is on top of a stocky guy, who is scared for his life. the light guy is pulling up his head and trying to slam it down, the guy on the bottom is going to be using all his trunk and core muscles to resist. due to the nature of leverage, you'd have to be superhuman to keep a person from being able to slam your head down, but you could cut the velocity and power by 50% or so, if you were putting in all your strength and trying to keep from getting your head bashed in.
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Did he sustain internal head injuries head?  Trauma/bruising of the brain?  CSF leaking?  Did a ct scan show any of this?  I don't remember ever reading or hearing anything about this. I did avoid the initial hoopla around teh case so maybe I missed it

Sustaining life threatening injuries is not a prerequisite to the justifiable use of deadly force in a self defense case. All that matters is if the person believes that serious injury or death is an imminent thing. Where I come from bashing someone's head against concrete or hitting them in the head with some object like a club or hammer is grounds to immediately respond with deadly force. The reason is very simple, almost any brain injury is serious or fatal. I guarantee you that if someone was bashing my head against the street while on top of me screaming they were going to kill me they better hope I don't manage to bring a gun into play.

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

This guy will do anything for attention won't he?
IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER! He was being attacked. The neighbor confirmed seeing Martin on top attacking him. Also the angle of the gunshot wound indicates the same thing. He was in reasonable fear of bodily harm. Or do you think Martin was just on top of him for some other reason?
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

No proof he didn't. That's enough for me. And would he have helped the victim if he was black?

well he would help him with the pain, by giving him a general anaesthetic.
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So what exactly is the point of bashing Zimmerman for helping someone?
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

So what exactly is the point of bashing Zimmerman for helping someone?

Nobody is bashing him but it is completely irrelevant to the Killing T thread..
post #5188 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

So what exactly is the point of bashing Zimmerman for helping someone?

New report is that there were four victims, including two children.
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

New report is that there were four victims, including two children.

You sound like a Propaganda minister..crackup[1].gif

He helped in an accident , he is no Mother Teresa..
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Originally Posted by lasbar View Post

Nobody is bashing him but it is completely irrelevant to the Killing T thread..

This thread went off the rails when the verdict came in. Now it's just secret-racists coming to show us regular folk why the verdict was wrong and why Z needs to be prosecuted federally.
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Originally Posted by lasbar View Post

You sound like a Propaganda minister..crackup[1].gif

He helped in an accident , he is no Mother Teresa..

He should take that as a compliment considering how much misery she brought into the world.
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