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post #5146 of 6250
Rotational injuries are more likely to cause diffuse axonal injury, where the axons get sheared off the neuron cell bodies, which is typically only apparent on the microscopic level. He may have had a small amount of DAI, but it clearly wasn't very substantial because he didn't lose consciousness. The greater threat based on this mechanism of injury would have probably been a skull fracture with an epidural hematoma or venous sinus rupture and a subdural hematoma.
post #5147 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Not emotional about it at all.  not guilty ≠ innocent. Zimmerman killed that boy and does not have to face any legal repercussions for his actions.

You are moving the goal posts. You have said two things:

1) You feel there is a "general lack of evidence"
2) Zimmerman "got away with murder"

How can you hold both positions with a straight face?
post #5148 of 6250
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Originally Posted by hopkins_student View Post

Rotational injuries are more likely to cause diffuse axonal injury, where the axons get sheared off the neuron cell bodies, which is typically only apparent on the microscopic level. He may have had a small amount of DAI, but it clearly wasn't very substantial because he didn't lose consciousness. The greater threat based on this mechanism of injury would have probably been a skull fracture with an epidural hematoma or venous sinus rupture and a subdural hematoma.

Handy having a brain surgeon around to comment.
post #5149 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Not emotional about it at all.  not guilty ≠ innocent. Zimmerman killed that boy and does not have to face any legal repercussions for his actions.

he spent a year plus involved in a trial. yes, he killed TM. I'm sure that he didn't really enjoy the past year of his life. it seems that he won't be able to pursue the career he wanted to, in law inforcement. so I think he has had pretty much the proper level of reprrcussions for his possible poor judgement
post #5150 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Not emotional about it at all.  not guilty ≠ innocent. Zimmerman killed that boy and does not have to face any legal repercussions for his actions.

Innocent until proven guilty.
post #5151 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


facepalm.gif

Idiot, think fists and feet. Man you're bringing the stupid.


Let's stick with comparing apples with apples ok?  Methinks a head being purposely and forcefully slammed against concrete would sustain greater damage than one slammed against closed cell padded MMA flooring material.

post #5152 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Not emotional about it at all.  not guilty ≠ innocent. .

If you're talking about the law, this is fundamentally incorrect.

If you're talking about some personal moral judgment, it makes no sense to link it to the verdict in any way. Guilty would not necessarily = guilty, either.
post #5153 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


Even if we accept your characterization, which is wrong, how then do we not laugh at you for your emphatic and emotional statements about ZImmerman getting "away with murder" as you state there is a "general lack of evidence?"

The evidence...

 

Police chief and his officers determine it is self defense. Obama and his boys get the police chief fired for doing his job. Is it right to cost a good man his job because Obama wants a lynching?

 

Town manager demands charges, says he doesn't care if GZ walks. Is that a correct use of our legal system to use prosecution as publishment where there is no guilt?

 

Obama determines there is not enough outrage over GZ not being charged. Obama and his boys send DOJ money to community organizers to protest. Should the feds spend money organizing demonstrations?

 

Prosecutor doesn't want to prosecute. Obama and his boys remove the prosecutor and appoint a special prosecutor. Is that justified?

 

Prosecution withholds evidence from defense. Is that legal?

 

Judge rules against GZ on almost all motions. Is the deck stacked?

 

By a miracle 6 very brave jurors vote not guilty based on facts. Isn't that American!

 

Americans should be very concerned that politicians can force prosecutions for political gain and not for criminal acts.

post #5154 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post


Let's stick with comparing apples with apples ok?  Methinks a head being purposely and forcefully slammed against concrete would sustain greater damage than one slammed against closed cell padded MMA flooring material.

Wow, are you really being this stupid?

Fists...to the head.
Feet...to the head.

Methinks you need to stop being so emotional and think about what you're reading.
post #5155 of 6250
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post


he spent a year plus involved in a trial. yes, he killed TM. I'm sure that he didn't really enjoy the past year of his life. it seems that he won't be able to pursue the career he wanted to, in law inforcement. so I think he has had pretty much the proper level of reprrcussions for his possible poor judgement

 

I don't think it was enough for killing someone but that is my opinion. 

post #5156 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Upward View Post

The evidence...

Police chief and his officers determine it is self defense. Obama and his boys get the police chief fired for doing his job. Is it right to cost a good man his job because Obama wants a lynching?

Town manager demands charges, says he doesn't care if GZ walks. Is that a correct use of our legal system to use prosecution as publishment where there is no guilt?

Obama determines there is not enough outrage over GZ not being charged. Obama and his boys send DOJ money to community organizers to protest. Should the feds spend money organizing demonstrations?

Prosecutor doesn't want to prosecute. Obama and his boys remove the prosecutor and appoint a special prosecutor. Is that justified?

Prosecution withholds evidence from defense. Is that legal?

Judge rules against GZ on almost all motions. Is the deck stacked?

By a miracle 6 very brave jurors vote not guilty based on facts. Isn't that American!

Americans should be very concerned that politicians can force prosecutions for political gain and not for criminal acts.

I'm not understanding what the phrase "The evidence . . ." has to do with what follows. I also find much of what follows hard to understand, but that's a different issue.
post #5157 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


Wow, are you really being this stupid?

Fists...to the head.
Feet...to the head.

Methinks you need to stop being so emotional and think about what you're reading.


I had specifically talked about repeatedly pounding a head into pavement and the damage it should cause and you brought up MMA.  I assumed you were envisioning a similar action (head slammed against the ground).  But now you are comparing that to a punch or a kick?  That is just as bad as that other genius that compared this  to a helmeted football player hitting his protected head against the grass. 
*smh*

post #5158 of 6250
And you compared it to a child's head injury. None of these are proper comparisons and we aren't going to find one.

None of this stuff matters anyway. Is he supposed to wait until he does have a concussion before he defends himself?
post #5159 of 6250
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post


If you're talking about the law, this is fundamentally incorrect.

If you're talking about some personal moral judgment, it makes no sense to link it to the verdict in any way. Guilty would not necessarily = guilty, either.

 

Yet this has been cited many times in other cases after an acquittal

post #5160 of 6250
Also, the point of the nfl and mma arguments is that people get concussions in those sports all the time, but most of the time they don't. there are a lot of different factors, not just the kind of impact. It's like saying "I know a guy who got knocked out with one punch, therefore boxers aren't really hitting each other because otherwise they would all have concussions."
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