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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

I've seen many kids injured from single blows.  I've sat in the concussion clinic of Washington Hospital Center and read countless medical journals while getting myself up to speed on concussions.  And I'm not buy the story that his head was slammed on the concrete multiple times without causing long term injuries

Bu maybe Zimmerman has super powers like Mr. Fantastic or Plasticman.  It could happen...

You ever watch a football game? People get hit in the head all the time. Sometimes they get a concussion but most of the time they don't.
post #5132 of 6250
Based on the information that is available it doesn't sound like he had a concussion, which is typically defined as loss of consciousness or at least neurological impairment such as amnesia. His injury would be classified as a closed head injury. Although clearly he had some small lacerations they looked pretty superficial and didn't expose the underlying skull. Whether or not his closed head injury was associated with an intracranial injury is hard to know, since I don't think he had a CT scan. It's probably pretty unlikely that he had a gross intracranial injury, but I would suspect that he had some degree of injury on the microscopic level. However, I'm not sure what difference any of that makes.
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

I've seen many kids injured from single blows.  I've sat in the concussion clinic of Washington Hospital Center and read countless medical journals while getting myself up to speed on concussions.  And I'm not buy the story that his head was slammed on the concrete multiple times without causing long term injuries

Bu maybe Zimmerman has super powers like Mr. Fantastic or Plasticman.  It could happen...

So explain how boxers, MMA folks, etc. take multiple shots to the head without sustaining a concussion every single time. You think those MMA shots to the head are not like having your head pounded on concrete by a skinny teenager? Sometimes concussions do happen but according to you they would need to happen every single fight. They don't.
post #5134 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


Ah, here comes the stupid. It is wrong to find ZImmerman's account, the account that matches pretty well with the preponderance of evidence and eye and ear witness testimony, the most likely account (most likely =! gospel btw, nice mischaracterizing) but you know for sure, in pretty much total lack of evidence, the Zimmerman "got away with murder."

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There were no witnesses to the start of the altercation.  All we have is Zimmerman's account to the police.  That is not evidence.  It is the general lack of evidence that that got him an acquittal.  Anything the prosecution had was a supposition: no hard evidence, no eyewitnessess, no video.

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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

There were no witnesses to the start of the altercation.  All we have is Zimmerman's account to the police.  That is not evidence.  It is the general lack of evidence that that got him an acquittal.  Anything the prosecution had was a supposition: no hard evidence, no eyewitnessess, no video.

This is false. Zimmerman's account IS evidence. Also, there is more than just Zimmerman's account. Yet you fail to realize this and continue to ignore the trial and the many readily available resources to shed light on your ignorance.
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Originally Posted by hopkins_student View Post

Based on the information that is available it doesn't sound like he had a concussion, which is typically defined as loss of consciousness or at least neurological impairment such as amnesia. His injury would be classified as a closed head injury. Although clearly he had some small lacerations they looked pretty superficial and didn't expose the underlying skull. Whether or not his closed head injury was associated with an intracranial injury is hard to know, since I don't think he had a CT scan. It's probably pretty unlikely that he had a gross intracranial injury, but I would suspect that he had some degree of injury on the microscopic level. However, I'm not sure what difference any of that makes.

Am I getting senile or did I remember some random epi reading of 15 or so years ago right? That it's action more likely to create torsion than back and forth motion to cause concussion? Really can't remember for sure if there's a difference.
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You ever watch a football game? People get hit in the head all the time. Sometimes they get a concussion but most of the time they don't.

 

Last time I checked, football players wore protective head gear commonly known as helmets

post #5138 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

There were no witnesses to the start of the altercation.  All we have is Zimmerman's account to the police.  That is not evidence.  It is the general lack of evidence that that got him an acquittal.  Anything the prosecution had was a supposition: no hard evidence, no eyewitnessess, no video.

Even if we accept your characterization, which is wrong, how then do we not laugh at you for your emphatic and emotional statements about ZImmerman getting "away with murder" as you state there is a "general lack of evidence?"
post #5139 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Last time I checked, football players wore protective head gear commonly known as helmets

Last time I checked MMA fighters do not.
post #5140 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

There were no witnesses to the start of the altercation.  All we have is Zimmerman's account to the police.  That is not evidence.  It is the general lack of evidence that that got him an acquittal.  Anything the prosecution had was a supposition: no hard evidence, no eyewitnessess, no video.

Seriously, stop. You can get away with this when you aren't talking to people who know what they are talking about, but you aren't there.
post #5141 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


So explain how boxers, MMA folks, etc. take multiple shots to the head without sustaining a concussion every single time. You think those MMA shots to the head are not like having your head pounded on concrete by a skinny teenager? Sometimes concussions do happen but according to you they would need to happen every single fight. They don't.

 

have you even taken a good look at the floor during those MMA fights?  They aren't made of concrete

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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

have you even taken a good look at the floor during those MMA fights?  They aren't concrete

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Idiot, think fists and feet. Man you're bringing the stupid.
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

I've seen many kids injured from single blows.  I've sat in the concussion clinic of Washington Hospital Center and read countless medical journals while getting myself up to speed on concussions.  And I'm not buy the story that his head was slammed on the concrete multiple times without causing long term injuries

Bu maybe Zimmerman has super powers like Mr. Fantastic or Plasticman.  It could happen...


one thing that I have seen, in my life, is that people get wounded or killed by the dardest things, in accidents, and other times you can try the same thing 50 times on purpose without doing any damage. the human body is a weird thing. and, like people said, there is a huge difference between an adults head and a kids. I've gotten hit in the head any number of times, including when I was hit by a car on a bike, with no brain damage (I hope). but if my kid got hit in the head I'd be very careful with him, too.
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

I've seen many kids injured from single blows. I've sat in the concussion clinic of Washington Hospital Center and read countless medical journals while getting myself up to speed on concussions. And I'm not buy the story that his head was slammed on the concrete multiple times without causing long term injuries

Bu maybe Zimmerman has super powers like Mr. Fantastic or Plasticman. It could happen...

Frankly, it's largely irrelevant how hurt Zimmerman's head was. For him to claim self-defense successfully, he only had to claim he reasonably believed that such force was neccessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily injury. He didn't have to sustain massive head trauma to make his self-defense claim. He only had to prove that he believed he was going to.
post #5145 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


Even if we accept your characterization, which is wrong, how then do we not laugh at you for your emphatic and emotional statements about ZImmerman getting "away with murder" as you state there is a "general lack of evidence?"

 

Not emotional about it at all.  not guilty ≠ innocent. Zimmerman killed that boy and does not have to face any legal repercussions for his actions.

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