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Originally Posted by jpeirpont View Post

Way to extreme of a comparison to make any sense to me. Most young black men dress in hip hop clothing. A small minority of nuts dress as neo nazis.
As I said people can use whatever cues they like, race, smell, height I'm not being insincere when I say I don't think its a sin. Better to be racist or whatever than be uncomfortable or dead, is my opinion. But saying a race of men (he said black men) need to dress as you desire them to, is racist IMO.

GT can speak to what GT was saying. I'll just stick to what I said and what I said is nothing new. Clothing sends messages. Always has, always will.
post #5042 of 6250
If the average black kid looks threatening then you simply are threatened by blacks for the most part, because you perceived them as dangerous or whatever. I think you using neo nazis as an example says much in that regard. Hip Hop gear =/= neo nazi, not analogous in anyway. (unless I just read your point wrong, if so , my bad)
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Real thugs don't even wear hip hop clothes. They wear white t-shirts that are three sizes too big.
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Originally Posted by jpeirpont View Post

Way to extreme of a comparison to make any sense to me. Most young black men dress in hip hop clothing. A small minority of nuts dress as neo nazis.
As I said people can use whatever cues they like, race, smell, height I'm not being insincere when I say I don't think its a sin. Better to be racist or whatever than be uncomfortable or dead, is my opinion. But saying a race of men (he said black men) need to dress as you desire them to, is racist IMO.

Really, you're going to say we shouldn't judge people by how they dress on a forum dedicated to judging people on how they dress?
post #5045 of 6250
Hip hop clothing =! neo nazi clothing in the content of the message they send but hip hop clothing most certainly sends a message. If I were smarter, like say dopey or Fuuma, I might say semiotically speaking hip hop clothing is oppositional dress. That's sort of fading, as it's becoming more main stream, but in its origin is was certainly oppositional.
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Real thugs don't even wear hip hop clothes. They wear white t-shirts that are three sizes too big.
This would have been funny 4- 5 years ago.
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Really, you're going to say we shouldn't judge people by how they dress on a forum dedicated to judging people on how they dress?
No, where did you get that from? I said people should judge by any standard they like.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Hip hop clothing =! neo nazi clothing in the content of the message they send but hip hop clothing most certainly sends a message. If I were smarter, like say dopey or Fuuma, I might say semiotically speaking hip hop clothing is oppositional dress. That's sort of fading, as it's becoming more main stream, but in its origin is was certainly oppositional.
Hip Hop clothing like the music is fully mainstream. The only message it sends is the person likes dressing like that. 20 years ago, you'd have a point.
post #5047 of 6250
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Originally Posted by jpeirpont View Post

Sounds pretty much like the definition of racism. Blacks have to look how you desire for them to be acceptable.
I don't personally think racism is a great big deal. The vast majority of the time it doesn't effect anyone, so I don't see why people deny it.

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Originally Posted by jpeirpont View Post

If the average black kid looks threatening then you simply are threatened by blacks for the most part, because you perceived them as dangerous or whatever. I think you using neo nazis as an example says much in that regard. Hip Hop gear =/= neo nazi, not analogous in anyway. (unless I just read your point wrong, if so , my bad)

jperpont, glad you're back in here. I'll put on my serious shoes again.

Do you really think more than 50% of young black kids dress in hip hop style? Maybe I'm sheltered but I don't see that. I really believe there is a huge SES factor to consider. Do you have children and do they dress like that?

In my town, Houston, the percentage would be over 50% in the very poor areas. But there is a thriving black middle class in Houston and I just can't see their kids being over 50% dressed like those in the poor areas.

And I think we would all agree that it is wrong to profile strictly by race. But what about profiling by other factors. Things like gang tattoos, suspicious behavior, and what the person says ( be that person white, black, brown or other ). Is that OK? I guess that is a sort of profiling but I don't see it as racism.

BTW: Anyone that says they are 100% not racist in any way is probably lying IMO. And that includes many good and decent people both white and black.

In a nutshell I'm saying that profiling by appearance and behavior seems all right, non-racist and sensible to me. Profiling strictly by race is wrong and obviously racist.
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Originally Posted by jpeirpont View Post

Hip Hop clothing like the music is fully mainstream. The only message it sends is the person likes dressing like that. 20 years ago, you'd have a point.

Can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink.

Seems like you made a goofy point and finding a way to back off and push on me lmao Par for the course Good to see you back in old form.
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post


jperpont, glad you're back in here. I'll put on my serious shoes again.

Do you really think more than 50% of young black kids dress in hip hop style? Maybe I'm sheltered but I don't see that. I really believe there is a huge SES factor to consider. Do you have children and do they dress like that?

In my town, Houston, the percentage would be over 50% in the very poor areas. But there is a thriving black middle class in Houston and I just can't see their kids being over 50% dressed like those in the poor areas.

And I think we would all agree that it is wrong to profile strictly by race. But what about profiling by other factors. Things like gang tattoos, suspicious behavior, and what the person says ( be that person white, black, brown or other ). Is that OK? I guess that is a sort of profiling but I don't see it as racism.

BTW: Anyone that says they are 100% not racist in any way is probably lying IMO. And that includes many good and decent people both white and black.

In a nutshell I'm saying that profiling by appearance and behavior seems all right, non-racist and sensible to me. Profiling strictly by race is wrong and obviously racist.

The average Black where I am from has a higher income than Blacks in Houston and most of the suburban and urban kids both dress in hip hop style clothes differing degrees of course. Hip hop clothing maybe is more mainstream looking than it was previously tho. Tattoos on your face and nuttiness like that of course is some hood stuff.
I said a few times I have no problems with profiling, not even racist profiling. Its always better to be comfortable and safe than not racist or whatever. Most case never end up in any interaction, so its no a big deal IMO. Many Blacks think certain kinds of whites are racist by appearance, mainly white conservative appearing males. Even professional Blacks who have a lot of experience with them, and shouldn't assume such.
Agreed on no one is %100 not racist. I can be very racist on occasion. Not hateful or anything tho.
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post


jperpont, glad you're back in here. I'll put on my serious shoes again.

Do you really think more than 50% of young black kids dress in hip hop style? Maybe I'm sheltered but I don't see that. I really believe there is a huge SES factor to consider. Do you have children and do they dress like that?

In my town, Houston, the percentage would be over 50% in the very poor areas. But there is a thriving black middle class in Houston and I just can't see their kids being over 50% dressed like those in the poor areas.

And I think we would all agree that it is wrong to profile strictly by race. But what about profiling by other factors. Things like gang tattoos, suspicious behavior, and what the person says ( be that person white, black, brown or other ). Is that OK? I guess that is a sort of profiling but I don't see it as racism.

BTW: Anyone that says they are 100% not racist in any way is probably lying IMO. And that includes many good and decent people both white and black.

In a nutshell I'm saying that profiling by appearance and behavior seems all right, non-racist and sensible to me. Profiling strictly by race is wrong and obviously racist.

The average Black where I am from has a higher income than Blacks in Houston and most of the suburban and urban kids both dress in hip hop style clothes differing degrees of course. Hip hop clothing maybe is more mainstream looking than it was previously tho. Tattoos on your face and nuttiness like that of course is some hood stuff.
I said a few times I have no problems with profiling, not even racist profiling. Its always better to be comfortable and safe than not racist or whatever. Most case never end up in any interaction, so its no a big deal IMO. Many Blacks think certain kinds of whites are racist by appearance, mainly white conservative appearing males. Even professional Blacks who have a lot of experience with them, and shouldn't assume such.
Agreed on no one is %100 not racist. I can be very racist on occasion. Not hateful or anything tho.
post #5052 of 6250
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Originally Posted by jpeirpont View Post

Seems like you made a goofy point and finding a way to back off and push on me lmao Par for the course Good to see you back in old form.

Yup, the fact clothing has messages and meaning is a goofy point. Good to see you in usual form too.

Here's a brief write up I quickly Googled that speaks to my goofy point: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Visual_Rhetoric/Semiotics_of_Fashion

Seems there are a lot of people being goofy with me.

And then this goof guy says white males, conservative in appearance, project racism!
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Originally Posted by jpeirpont View Post

Many Blacks think certain kinds of whites are racist by appearance, mainly white conservative appearing males. Even professional Blacks who have a lot of experience with them, and shouldn't assume such.

Too fucking precious!
post #5053 of 6250
No one disagreed that they sent a point. Please quote where I said such? Mainstream clothing doesn't send the message that extremist clothing does. Nice tactic tho. lmao
post #5054 of 6250
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Originally Posted by jpeirpont View Post

No one disagree that they sent a point. Please quote a said such? Mainstream clothing dont send the message the clothing extremist clothing does. Nice tactic tho. lmao

Well, conservative dress is pretty mainstream, and apparently it sends the message of racism. You're still an awful poster.
post #5055 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Well, conservative dress is pretty mainstream, and apparently it sends the message of racism. You're still an awful poster.

Indeed just as racism to an extent is mainstream and normal. I agree I am an awful poster but not a internet tough guy like yourself. I'd say that's a win on my part.
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