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My mistake.. see what happens when I get 100 posts behind?
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

He committed no crime? How about assault and battery? Those are crimes, last I checked.

Look, the loss of life is tragic, but perhaps the lesson to this story is, don't start a fight with someone. Even if someone is following you, the best course of action is probably not to jump on him and start punching him.

As mention previously, it's entirely possible than Martin could have pushed a self defense claim under Florida law (had he survived).


But yeah, best course of action for Martin would have been to run off. Whatever compelled him to double back and jump Zimmerman will probably never be known.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

As mention previously, it's entirely possible than Martin could have pushed a self defense claim under Florida law (had he survived).


But yeah, best course of action for Martin would have been to run off. Whatever compelled him to double back and jump Zimmerman will probably never be known.

I agree. There is the possibility that both were acting in self-defense; however, we will never know exactly how or why the fight started. We have Zimmerman's account, which was supported by physical evidence.

I don't know, if someone is following me, I don't turn around and start a fight.
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post


There was a killing. Bad initial policework as well as a crappy prosecution led to OJ being found not guilty.  Many people said that he may have been found not guilty but that is not synonymous with innocent. 

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There was a killing. Bad initial policework as well as crappy a prosecution led to Zimmerman being found not guilty.  Many people said that he may have been found not guilty but that is not synonymous with innocent.

Are you a retard?
The crimes were fundamentally different as were the defenses raised by the defendants. OJ claimed he never killed anyone, Z freely admits it. Z's killing was not premeditated, it came "in the heat of the moment" during a physical altercation and was deemed to be self defense. OJ went to the home of his x wife and attacked her with a fucking shovel. He never claimed it was self defense.

Also, specifically, what was the bad initial police work in the Z trial? Considering the outcome of the various investigations and the trial, I'd say the police were somewhat vindicated.

If you can't see the obvious differences between the two cases you really are a moron.
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Actual facts don't matter. This is critical race theory writ large, where the only thing matters is the "narrative." It does not matter if the narrative is false in this paradigm.
Judge Richard Posner

Posner is a boss.
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post


I don't like to think of myself as a racist, but I will certainly teach my kids to be careful of suspicious people, including profiling. that is common sense.

This point is so simple and so true but so completely lost in this debate.
Edited by NorCal - 7/20/13 at 2:16am
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Iran’s Mullahs Demand Justice for Trayvon

“The acquittal of the murderer of the teenage African American once again clearly demonstrated the unwritten, but systematic racial discrimination against racial, religious, and ethnic minorities in the US society,” Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Seyed Abbas Araqchi was quoted as saying by Iran’s state run Fars News Agency.

“The court ruling has also seriously put under question the fairness of the judicial process in the United States,” Fars reported Araqchi as saying.

Iran’s calls for justice came as a surprise to U.S. observers, who pointed out that the Iranian regime is notorious for beating opposition members, arresting journalists, stoning women to death, and publicly executing homosexual teenagers.

Former Pentagon adviser Michael Rubin called Iran’s criticism of the Zimmerman trial ridiculous.

“You’ve got to have some sympathy for the poor Foreign Ministry spokesman,” Runin said. “This is probably the first time he had to wait for a verdict before writing his statement which is why it took him almost a week to issue it.”

“Now that the Zimmerman verdict condemnation is out of the way, though, maybe [Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister] Seyed Abbas Araqchi can start penning his condemnations of all the verdicts issued by Iranian kangaroo courts for such troubling crimes as free speech, free association, and free practice of religion,” Rubin said.

Iran also leads the world in child executions, according to Amnesty International, which published a report entitled, “Iran: The Last Executioner of Children.”

http://freebeacon.com/irans-mullahs-demand-justice-for-trayvon/
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Originally Posted by NameBack View Post

Here's the thing--if Martin could be reasonably considered to use self-defense, and Zimmerman could have reasonably considered to use self-defense, it seems that there must be some manner of arbitrating such an event.

Yeah, it's called mutual combat, disorderly conduct, or affray. It's the equivalent of a speeding ticket and had it been charged against Zimmerman I'm pretty damn sure he would have pled guilty to it and been done with this. But this case was never about any alleged crime Z may have committed. It was about emotion, it was about ignorance, it was about using the judicial process to score political points and line one's pockets.
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Fla. Stat. § 877.03. Breach of the peace; disorderly conduct: Whoever commits such acts as are of a nature to corrupt the public morals, or outrage the sense of public decency, or affect the peace and quiet of persons who may witness them, or engages in brawling or fighting, or engages in such conduct as to constitute a breach of the peace or disorderly conduct, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

Punishable by a maximum of 60 days imprisonment or $500 fine
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Originally Posted by NameBack View Post

What statistics would those be?

This is what I saw:


Ata posted that?

You want to come in the last ten pages while this threak has been going on for over 300. The bullshit claims you're raising have been dealt with. Either go back and read the thread, go watch the trial, or continue to wallow in your own ignorance while making declaratory statements that are false. It's entirely your prerogative.

You should post something like this over at the Tumblr -
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The privilege of ignorance

I am not Trayvon Martin. I am a white woman in my 20’s living in a Midwest college town and I have the absolute privilege of avoiding information about this case.

I have loosely followed this case and felt the commonest reactions along with many others in this country: rage, shame, sadness, indignation. But scrolling through my Twitter and Facebook feeds, it struck me with full force what it means to “loosely follow" this situation. I am profoundly privileged to be able to tune in and out of the details and implications of this tragedy because it is not my reality. I face other difficulties in my life, but I never need to think about looking “suspicious." “Stand your ground" does not mean anything to me, not really. It is the reality of thousands and thousands of other people, but it is not mine.

I wasn’t going to post here because I don’t typically post publicly. But when I scrolled past 3 articles about Trayvon Martin and his family, I realized that it was time to acknowledge that the privilege of following this case at my leisure is one more way in which I (and many, many others) are not Trayvon Martin. And never will be.

Edited by Harold falcon - 7/20/13 at 5:49am
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I am a 60 year old white male. One day, back when I was 21, I was walking to work on a bitterly cold Michigan winter morning, and was pulled over by the police, in my hometown, on a WWH…Walking While Hippie. Actually, I was almost run over by the police as the driver pulled his car up on the sidewalk to prevent me from going any further.

Q: Where are you going?
A: Work.

Q: What’s work?
A: Stahl Manufacturing.

Q: Where is that?
A: On Junction Street.

Q: Why are you walking?
A: My wife needs the car.

After a few more idiotic questions I was allowed to go on my way. While I am used to being stereotyped at the times in my life that my hair’s long, this was my first and only time of being profiled. I did not like it — not one little bit. But…my experience was 1/10th of 1/10 of 1 percent of what every black person in the United States of America has to look forward to every single time they walk out of their front door, and, if their timing is right, they won’t be gunned down by police, police or self-appointed vigilantes.
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I am not George Zimmerman. I'm a 35 year old, white non-hispanic, straight CISman. I don't carry a gun and generally don't give a shit about teenagers walking around my neighborhood because I have a mean fucking dog who will bite their ass if they try to kick down my door. I will never know what it's like to have the president of the United States give moral support to a racist lynch mob screaming for my head.
Edited by munchausen - 7/20/13 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

I am not George Zimmerman. I'm a 35 year old, white non-hispanic, straight CISman. I will never know what it's like to have the president of the United States give moral support to a racist lynch mob screaming for my head.

You're a lawyer and have already been targeted for such treatment. You are part of the mechanism that the current administration so vehemently seeks to undermine. It might not happen today, but tomorrow you may wake up to a different world.
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

You're a lawyer and have already been targeted for such treatment. You are part of the mechanism that the current administration so vehemently seeks to undermine. It might not happen today, but tomorrow you may wake up to a different world.

This administration is pretty much all lawyers. I think we as a class don't have much to fear from them.
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