Originally Posted by munchausen
Well provocation can cause you to lose your self defense claim. There just was no evidence in this case that Zimmerman provoked the other party.
If you are suggesting that Zimmerman was provoking him by his mere presence, then you are really heading down a rabbit hole if you ask me. Any law like that is going to apply to everyone. Presuming juries are racist (and they are; you won't get any argument on that point from me), you have to realize that is going to be used more often against minorities and poor people who can't afford good attorneys. The next generation will be protesting a verdict where a black guy is sent to prison because he "provoked" some white guy with his presence.
I don't think Zimmerman provoked him by his mere presence. I think Zimmerman provoked him by following Martin, even after Martin attempted to flee.
By Zimmerman's own 9-11 call, he followed Martin, lost sight of him, and yet managed to end up in an altercation with Martin a few minutes later right next to Martin's house. To me, this suggests that Martin reasonably attempted to flee what he perceived as a threatening individual. Zimmerman pursued, and Martin felt he had nowhere to go. What reason would he have that Zimmerman would stop pursuing if Martin went inside? So Martin confronted Zimmerman, or vice-versa, and at some point Martin probably used force to defend himself.
Here's the thing--if Martin could be reasonably considered to use self-defense, and Zimmerman could have reasonably considered to use self-defense, it seems that there must be some manner of arbitrating such an event. Personally, I find it compelling evidence that Zimmerman professes to losing sight of Martin on his 9-1-1 call, and yet still ended up outside of his car in a confrontation with Martin three minutes later. What possible need was there for Zimmerman to be outside of his car, except to provoke a confrontation?
Listen, I'm not saying you have to agree with my interpretation of events, but it seems like strong evidence of provocation to me.