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post #4816 of 6250
I did think it was post verdict. Now I don't know what to believe anymore. You stole my innocence Harvey Birdman.
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

I did think it was post verdict. Now I don't know what to believe anymore. You stole my innocence Harvey Birdman.

You were asking for it with that short dress you were wearing.
post #4818 of 6250
Last night congressman Bobby Rush was on Hannity and said that Zimmerman's nose "could have been broken by him falling down, hitting it on Trayvon's shoulder, or it could have been broken before he even saw Trayvon that night." How much blind allegiance to your own race coupled with animosity towards other races does one have to harbor in order to spew this bullshit? I've never heard this guy talk before but he appears to have a serious speech impediment.
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So I checked DU for one last time. I've noticed that the Zimmerman stuff is still going strong and has morphed into an elaborate conspiracy theory where the police, the medical investigators, all of the witnesses, the defense, the prosecution, the Rand corp, saucer people and reverse vampires are all working together to set Zimmerman free. I'm guessing when Holder declines to prosecute, it will be revealed that he was part of it. I'm done for now, though. The charm is fading for me.

Let's go find that hot dog tree I planted.
post #4819 of 6250
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You didn't confuse me. It's why I called you out. I don't think you confused people. I think you were manipulating people.

HB is a Lawyer, It is in his nature.
post #4820 of 6250
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

HB is a Lawyer, It is in his nature.

I'm a lawyer too, so it's in my nature to be annoying and argumentative.
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Over at the ACLU, the right left hand doesn't know what the far left hand is doing:

http://www.aclu.org/racial-justice/statement-anthony-d-romero-not-guilty-verdict-trayvon-martin-trial
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This case reminds us that it is imperative that the Department of Justice thoroughly examine whether the Martin shooting was a federal civil rights violation or hate crime.

http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/aclu_letter_to_ag_holder_re_gzimmerman_case.pdf
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Even though the Supreme Court permits a federal prosecution following a state prosecution, the ACLU believes the Double Jeopardy Clause of the Constitution protects someone from being prosecuted in another court for charges arising from the same transaction. A jury found Zimmerman not guilty, and that should be the end of the criminal case.
post #4822 of 6250
An online comment posted by a law professor [and Harvard Law alum...]:
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I am disappointed by the jury’s verdict and hoped that despite the lousy job the DA’s office did during the trial, they’d find something to hang a conviction on. This certainly wouldn’t be the first time that someone is found guilty with something less than proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and I admit that such a result would not have bothered me

http://www.volokh.com/2013/07/18/correction-re-the-aclu-and-double-jeopardy/
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Originally Posted by zbromer View Post

Not defending any of Holder's recent or past actions, and not saying something similar to this picture hasn't or won't happen anytime soon. However, this picture is from April 2012.

I Googled "Holder Sharpton" and this was one of the first images to pop up. Seeing the "NAN" and the "No Justice, No Peace" I figured it was current and thank you for the correction. You will no doubt disagree but I still think it is less than value neutral that Holder would appear at Sharpton's event and constantly appear so close to Sharpton. I know most of the US public has long forgotten the Twana issue but some have not. For those with attentions spans longer than gnats it has to seem this is not the type of guy you want the head of the DoJ chumming around with. Just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

An online comment posted by a law professor [and Harvard Law alum...]:
http://www.volokh.com/2013/07/18/correction-re-the-aclu-and-double-jeopardy/

Wow.
post #4825 of 6250
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Originally Posted by zbromer View Post

I'm a lawyer too, so it's in my nature to be annoying and argumentative.

At least you were not pedantic the other day.
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http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/aclu_letter_to_ag_holder_re_gzimmerman_case.pdf

ACLU says not to bring federal charges...but it's still clear Zimmerman is a racist.
post #4827 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Over at the ACLU, the right left hand doesn't know what the far left hand is doing:

This is amusing.
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

An online comment posted by a law professor [and Harvard Law alum...]

edit: NVM about my jury nullification comments.
Edited by zalb916 - 7/19/13 at 9:05am
post #4828 of 6250
Voting to convict someone without evidence isn't nullification.
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Many American liberals are achingly nostalgic for old-fashioned racism. It offered them a helium high of moral superiority that was deserved . . . in 1967, but by perpetuating the fiction that modern America has not changed, they’ve become more than ridiculous, more even than grossly unjust; they’ve become dangerous. Look around you. The violence and bitterness that have followed the Zimmerman verdict were virtually ordered up by convicted slanderer Al Sharpton and his many imitators.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/353837/holder-racism-and-our-nation-cowards-mona-charen
post #4830 of 6250
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

You will no doubt disagree but I still think it is less than value neutral that Holder would appear at Sharpton's event and constantly appear so close to Sharpton. I know most of the US public has long forgotten the Twana issue but some have not. For those with attentions spans longer than gnats it has to seem this is not the type of guy you want the head of the DoJ chumming around with. Just my opinion.

Actually, I don't disagree. As I said earlier in this thread, I worked in the DOJ's Civil Rights Division, and I left, in part, because I didn't like the direction it was heading. I was hired under the Bush administration and saw shifts more recently that I didn't like. One of those shifts was the increased hiring of people who were closely alligned with certain advocacy groups. This was documented in a recent OIG report of the Division.

It's the Civil Rights Division, which goes after violations of civil rights. I expect there to be some interaction between the Division and those groups. That's not unusual. However, there needs to be some distancing, and I had too many colleagues who weren't capable of separating their role as a public official from that of an advocate for change. I'm capable of separating the need for enforcement of civil rights laws and advocacy, and I think DOJ employees, not just Holder, should be more carerful to avoid some actions that either are or may appear to be biased.

For what it's worth, I don't think Holder "constantly appear(s)" with Sharpton. The google image search shows four pictures of them together. Your point still has validity, so there's no reason to exaggerate their number of interactions.
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