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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post



What's your alias on stormfront?

Can people stop posting those wearenotwhatever on this thread, it serves no purpose but to have a few misguided posters get high on their own superiority and clutters the thread.

Hey! Why should you be the only one allowed to be high on a misguided sense of your own superiority. Its not fair.
post #4577 of 6250
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

The thing is, I don't really think the people wanting the SYG repealed are really talking about SYG. I haven't been hearing anyone speaking in favor of imposing a duty to retreat. The complaints seem to be aimed at the notion that you can claim to have "felt threatened" and shoot somebody, which is basically a reductio ad absurdum version the regular old self-defense portion of the law.

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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Well the people talking about repealing SYG don't actually know what SYG is.

I feel threatened by all of you, but you're all safe because there is no federal SYG law.
post #4578 of 6250
" But it is a neighborhood where I see young black men sitting on the curb, hands cuffed behind their backs, a squad car and two officers pacing around, and I want to know why. I see it constantly and I want to walk over to them and ask, “This is my neighborhood. What on earth is going on? Why have you placed him in handcuffs? Why did you stop him?" There is something so wrong about it. It is always a young black man. I have never seen anyone handcuffed on my street that was not a young black man. And I am NOT okay with it. I feel so helpless because I don’t know what to do. Young black men are stopped and handcuffed for, as it appears to me seeing it weekly, no reason at all. As it appears to me, they are being stopped simply for walking in my neighborhood. "


It can't have anything to do with the cops doing the job that they signed up for could it? Clearly there are times that the police get out of hand or profile but I would imagine a higher amount of the checks they do are because of the things they have learnt while doing the job day in and out. Yes it's a absolute bummer that a higher percentage of young black men are raised in a house where no father figure is around to provide guidance and this leads to the situation that some areas are in but this is life. A world where an young black man with a name shockingly close to the former worlds most wanted can be elected President of the US is a world where any person can get ahead in life, tough luck for those who don't bother to try.
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post


I feel threatened by all of you, but you're all safe because there is no federal SYG law. you're all white.
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I am a straight 24 year old white male. I am from a middle-upper middle class suburb in Southern California and already have a great job with no student debt to my name. I am not Trayvon Martin.

One time, after being pulled over for having an expired registration, the officer noted the smell of cannabis coming from my vehicle. I told him that I indeed had a small amount with me. A quick and painless search revealed that I was not lying to him and had nothing else to hide. I was not a threat. He gave me back the cannabis and I was free to go with a warning for my expired registration.

I would not be able to enjoy such privileges if I were not a straight white male from a middle-upper middle class suburb in Southern California and that disgusts me.

I stand in solidarity with all oppressed people and will fight to achieve egality and liberty for all human beings.

I'm not sure if this guy thinks the world would be a better place if everyone were allowed to drive on with weed in their cars or if he should have been harassed by the cop just like a black person would have been.
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Also, I don't think he had to be a straight white male. I'm sure he could have been a woman or gay, or even both. Being white never hurts tho.

That said, if the guy wants to be treated a bit more like a minority by the police, he should move to Texas.
post #4582 of 6250
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post


Damn your white privilege.
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Originally Posted by A Canuker View Post

" But it is a neighborhood where I see young black men sitting on the curb, hands cuffed behind their backs, a squad car and two officers pacing around, and I want to know why. I see it constantly and I want to walk over to them and ask, “This is my neighborhood. What on earth is going on? Why have you placed him in handcuffs? Why did you stop him?" There is something so wrong about it. It is always a young black man. I have never seen anyone handcuffed on my street that was not a young black man. And I am NOT okay with it. I feel so helpless because I don’t know what to do. Young black men are stopped and handcuffed for, as it appears to me seeing it weekly, no reason at all. As it appears to me, they are being stopped simply for walking in my neighborhood. "


It can't have anything to do with the cops doing the job that they signed up for could it? Clearly there are times that the police get out of hand or profile but I would imagine a higher amount of the checks they do are because of the things they have learnt while doing the job day in and out. Yes it's a absolute bummer that a higher percentage of young black men are raised in a house where no father figure is around to provide guidance and this leads to the situation that some areas are in but this is life. A world where an young black man with a name shockingly close to the former worlds most wanted can be elected President of the US is a world where any person can get ahead in life, tough luck for those who don't bother to try.

You know what would be an interesting chart? Children born out of wedlock vs. crime stats...all colors, both sexes. Even more interesting would be children living with a single parent but that would probably be too hard to track.
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Originally Posted by whnay. View Post

You know what would be an interesting chart? Children born out of wedlock vs. crime stats...all colors, both sexes. Even more interesting would be children living with a single parent but that would probably be too hard to track.

Good thing that data is available:

According to the Single Parent Success Foundation, a national nonprofit that encourages educational opportunities for single parents:

• 63 percent of suicides nationwide are individuals from single-parent families.

• 75 percent of children in chemical dependency hospitals are from single-parent families.

• More than half of all youths incarcerated in the U.S. lived in one-parent families as a child.

Children in single-parent families:
2007: 32%
2008: 32%
2009: 34%
2010: 34%
2011: 35%
post #4585 of 6250
Did you guys read this (why would you...)? Questlove complains that racist little people make him cry because they are afraid of his imposing stature and blackness and he's just a big softy who wants a hug.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/07/questlove-trayvon-martin-and-i-aint-shit.html
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I recently told a friend one of these stories: I live in a "nice" building. I work hard. You know I work hard. My logic is (naïve alert in 5, 4, 3, 2 … ) "Well, there can't be any fear of any type in this building" — you've got to go through hell and high water just to get accepted to live here, like it's Dartmouth or UPenn. Secondly, there are, like, five to eight guards on duty 24/7, so this spot is beyond safe. Like, Oscar winners and kids of royalty and sports guys and mafia goombahs live here. One night, I get in the elevator, and just as the door closes this beautiful woman gets on. Because of a pain in the arse card device you have to use to get to your floor, it just makes it an easier protocol for whoever is pressing floors to take everyone's request, like when you are at the window of a drive-thru. So I press my floor number, and I ask her, "What floor, ma'am?" (Yes, I say "ma'am," because … sigh, anyway.) She says nothing, stands in the corner. Mind you, I just discovered the Candy Crush app, so if anything, I'm the rude one because I'm more obsessed with winning this particular level than anything else. In my head I'm thinking, There's no way I can be a threat to a woman this fine if I'm buried deep in this game — so surely she feels safe.
The humor comes in that I thought she was on my floor because she never acknowledged my floor request. (She was also bangin', so inside I was like, "Dayuuuuuuuuuuum, she lives on my floor? *bow chicka wowow*!" Instantly I was on some "What dessert am I welcome-committee-ing her with?") Anywho, the door opens, and I waited to let her off first because I am a gentleman. (Old me would've rushed first, thus not putting me in the position to have to follow her, God forbid if she, too, makes a left and it seems like I'm following her.) So door opens and I flirt, "Ladies first." She says, "This is not my floor." Then I assume she is missing her building card, so I pulled my card out to try to press her floor yet again. She says, "That's okay."
Then it hit me: "Oh God, she purposely held that information back." The door closed. It was a "pie in the face" moment.
I laughed at it. Sort of.
Inside I cried.
...
But my feelings don't count. I don't know why it's that way. Mostly I've come to the conclusion that people over six feet and over weight regulation or as dark as me (or in my tax bracket) simply don't have feelings. Or it's assumed we don't have feelings.

Don't be suspicious of people, you Zimmermans, you! God forbid you worry about your safety.
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Originally Posted by origenesprit View Post

Did you guys read this (why would you...)? Questlove complains that racist little people make him cry because they are afraid of his imposing stature and blackness and he's just a big softy who wants a hug.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/07/questlove-trayvon-martin-and-i-aint-shit.html
Don't be suspicious of people, you Zimmermans, you! God forbid you worry about your safety.

I smoked a joint with ?uestlove when I was a 17 year old child. True story.
post #4587 of 6250
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

I smoked a joint with ?uestlove when I was a 17 year old child. True story.

That's cool. Despite the stupidity of his column, I'd totally like to chill with him. Big fan of The Roots.
post #4588 of 6250
If a white person wants to be treated with suspicion by police it's not that hard. Simply drive through an area known for drug trafficking in an inner city. When I was working in downtown Detroit as a kid I had occasion to drive through areas like this. A green plain Jane Ford Ranger with a white guy driving it at 3:30 am in the Cass Corridor would draw police attention (although I hear the CC has gone boho).
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Thanks Brokencycle - do they break these out by sex of parent and color?
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I don't think it's stupid exactly. There is plenty of racism in our society, both overt and subtle. But on the other hand women living alone need to be careful about strange men, no matter their race.
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